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Expert March 2018

Is It a Big Deal - Wedding Vows and "obey"

PrettyinPink, on February 6, 2018 at 12:05 PM

Posted in Etiquette and Advice 129

So my wedding is March 31st of this year and from the beginning of the wedding planning process my FMIL knew who our officiant would be. This whole wedding planning has been kind of backwards and somewhat regretful, with my parents graciously paying for the majority of the wedding yet accommodating...


So my wedding is March 31st of this year and from the beginning of the wedding planning process my FMIL knew who our officiant would be. This whole wedding planning has been kind of backwards and somewhat regretful, with my parents graciously paying for the majority of the wedding yet accommodating his side of the family by having it in SC where most of his family lives. I know this doesn't relate to what I'm asking, but has anyone felt like they want to just start over the whole wedding planning? I feel like I've lost myself and I know the most important thing is marrying the love of my life, but I cannot seem to get over all of this regret. Anyways, FMIL told me the officiant is the pastor at the church she attends and is a family friend of 20 years of so (even though fiancé is really not familiar with him). I really had no issue with the whole thing being that he supposedly is a pastor at a "nondenominational" church. I was raised Catholic, but I would consider myself more spiritual than religious. Fiancé was raised Southern Baptist and is somewhat religious but really didn't care either way. However, he thinks I'm being silly about such a small detail and kind of hinted to me that he agrees with the vows.

I feel like vows are very important! I am getting married in a ballroom and not a church, so the religious significance of the ceremony was not a huge deal to me. I recently met the pastor and his wife for the first time (yes, 2 months prior to the wedding) and he said we can change the vows however we like, BUT he will not leave out the word "obey" on my end. He even said he has never done a ceremony where people just write their own vows. He said it is simply biblical and started going on about how the man is the head of the household and his wife started talking about how I don't want to be the reason my fiancé cannot stand in front of God on "good terms" on judgement day. She didn't say it in a rude way at all and they were overall very sweet people but I was like "woah, what did I get myself into?". It is partially my fault being I should have asked these questions sooner (how was I to know?), but I really didn't think about it...my mother and father even told me that most vows don't even have that part anymore. My mom was very taken back by the whole thing and agreed with me. He made it seem like he wouldn't marry us if I wasn't okay with it and asked me how I felt. I lied to them and told them I was fine...I couldn't get out the words because I was with my FMIL and my fiancé (my fault again). Do I go and retract everything even after them meeting with us, buying us lunch and pretending like I was okay with it? Is the word really that big of a deal? I understand I could simply just tell them "no thanks" and I understand that it is his right. The word just rubs me the wrong way for some reason and I'm about to pretend like everything is okay and either not say it at all the day of or have my fiancé say it too without informing the pastor. Neither of these would be okay I imagine. I want to know why I feel like everything has been out of my control this whole time and why I feel like my wedding isn't truly my wedding but my FMILs.


My question is not "Are they wrong" but more so "Should I just get over it and let him marry us?"


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  • KarenO
    Master June 2018
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    I agree with everyone else in that I would definitely look for someone new if I wasn't comfortable with any part of the ceremony and they weren't willing to budge, much less something so controversial as including the word obey in the vows.

    I'd also have a conversation with FH about his religious views and whether he believes what the pastor was saying. I have some very religious people among friends and extended family, and have seen them post comments and articles expressing similar beliefs. Please make sure you're on the same page, or at least have an understanding of how religion fits into your lives.

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  • GoodPrincessButtercup
    Devoted May 2018
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    I think your mom is blowing smile up your ass.
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  • MrsRies&Love
    VIP May 2018
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    Then why can't he exchange the word "obey" to something a little less intense? Like "love" or "understand". Sounds like your mom got caught in the cult Smiley xd

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  • GoodPrincessButtercup
    Devoted May 2018
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    If that’s what they think, your FH included, run run away.
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  • EM
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    NOOOOO MOM COME BACK FROM THE DARK SIDE

    Ugh, well, even if she has crossed over, we still all have your back.

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  • O
    Master October 2017
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    Get a new officiant. I had an officiant who I thought was good and listened to our concerns since I made an appointment to go over everything with him. I was wrong. While he wasn't completely terrible, he went against our wishes, and said a bunch of things we asked him not to say. It was awkward. There wasno way to stop him from talking during our ceremony.
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  • PrettyinPink
    Expert March 2018
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    Lol, she just said "

    (FH) has more to vow than you do. He is putting (FH) vow to be more serious level than yours!!!!! It is not just your decision. This is vitally important– so stop!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Why am I posting this stuff, I don't know but I'm so confused. I thought she was going to support me. I feel so isolated.

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  • Dillydilly
    Dedicated April 2018
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    No kidding!!!! COME BACK, MOM! COME BACK! And if his family is giving you the side eye for your beliefs.....that is on them not you. Just get yourself out of this pickle, and soon.

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  • O
    Master October 2017
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    And this is the thing you can't make family (the I -laws) happy and have to stop caring what they think about you because that gets you nowhere. Your FH is your main family now, and your families are secondary. Only do what you and your FH want. Your FH shouldn't make light, or agree to something that bothers you. There is no way I would have had obey in my vows.
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  • EM
    Master April 2017
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    She's right. It isn't just your decision.

    It's your FHs decision too, but if he agrees with this decision being made, I would reconsider my relationship with him.

    ETA And you are posting because you need support, which you are totally entitled to, especially because you are not wrong.

    I've said this several times now, but you should feel supported (and not isolated) by your FH. If he is contributing to the feeling of isolation, you need a new partner.

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  • MOB So Cal
    January 2019
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    I was feeling good about where this was headed until your own mom crossed over.... NO, MOM, NO!!!!! What?!?!?!? I'm so sorry. Most importantly, you and FH need to have a long, intense conversation about what your vows mean to you, and what you are and are not willing to stand in front of your friends/family and whatever greater power you both agree on and swear to. Once you reach that agreement, your decision about your crazy over involved mothers and possible officiants should be quite clear. Good luck to you & hang in! Better to hash this out now than once you're married. Smiley heart

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  • Gipperkm
    Super September 2018
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    It's less the word I would have a problem with and more the officiant and the FMIL. This is YOUR and you FH's wedding. You should be allowed to choose what is said and not said during your ceremony. In my opinion, if you go along with what this guy is saying just to not cause problems with you FMIL, you will regret it for years to come. As far as the FMIL is concerned, I would fire her as your wedding planner. It sounds like she has completely taken over and is planning her own wedding. As someone else said, take control or else she will be walking all over you for the rest of your life. Also, your mom meddled?! No!! Sounds like something my mom would do. I would just tell her to stay out of it. Ask for her opinion when you need it, but tell her you can handle these things on your own. She shouldn't be getting involved unless you want her help.

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  • GoodMOB
    April 2018
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    Hi, OP, I am very sympathetic. Here's what happened to me 33 years ago: Our pastor had met with us, approved us writing our own vows, and everything was good to go. At the CEREMONY, he added in the whole part with the traditional vows, in addition to our own, and mine had the "obey" part. Very underhanded move, there. I stood there for like 30 seconds, trying to decide if I was going to ruin my wedding or not. I caved in, and said "I do".

    Now, as soon as we were down the aisle, I made sure dh knew I didn't mean that part, which he did, knowing me, and our relationship. However, it has always bothered me a bit, not daily or anything, but just sometimes, when I think about it, that I vowed something I didn't mean.

    My advice from further down the road, is to find another officiant if at all possible. And yes, I do think the guy you have will refuse to marry you if you don't agree to "obey". I'm pretty familiar with that type of church/pastor.

    I am so sorry this is coming up, in this day and age. And I'm sorry for the trouble it may cause you.

    But really, I think it shows integrity to not promise something you do not believe in.

    Best wishes.

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  • Sarah
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    It sounds like you’re being manipulated by everyone to sit down and play the good little woman. I would fire this officiant, and I’d honestly rethink my entire relationship if my FH (H) didn’t see an issue with this.
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  • Sagan
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    Deal breaker for sure.
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  • Mrs. Sponge
    Master April 2018
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    I would run so fast from that. You are totally in the right to not want to be married by him. If your FMIL does not understand that, that's her problem. Also, we almost cancelled our wedding because my FH's family, particularly FMIL, didn't understand that this is our wedding. We had to step back and re-evaluate everything we planned to decide if it was what we wanted or what they wanted. FH called his mother and told her we may be cancelling and why. We were fortunate enough that it was a wake up call for her that she was crossing a line. If it's not the wedding you and your FH want then don't be afraid to speak up.

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  • MOB So Cal
    January 2019
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    And, once this is all settled and you don't feel like your head is going to explode, yeah, you need to have a conversation with your own mom about boundaries.... You are a grown ass woman, and I totally get her wanting to go all "mama bear" for her baby, but NO, she does not again step into your fights (unless you're medically incapacitated or something). That was mildly appropriate when you were six, but not any more. No matter how hard it is, she needs to stand back and let you fight your own battles. God love you and good luck!

    (I'm a college professor. I have strong reactions when parents of adults forget that the dynamics have changed....)

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  • Jamie
    Devoted October 2018
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    It would 100% be a deal breaker to me and my fiancé knows it

    i did see a ceremony once where the obey was used but Both people said it so it didn’t irk me as much.... would that be a potential ?
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  • Callie Sue
    Expert December 2017
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    I put a lot of weight in wedding vows. These are your VOWS. Like, THE words you will speak to promise yourself to your spouse. The most important part of the ceremony. If you can’t say “obey” and mean it, don’t say it. The same goes for anything else that might just get thrown in there. There’s no point in “vowing” something if you have the intention from the get-go of only saying it to please someone else, because you’re not going to keep it.

    It doesn’t matter who it is (your FMIL, the MOB, etc.) no one but your FH has a say in what you say in your vows (and not even he can or should even try to make you say something you can’t mean from the bottom of your heart) and if your officiant can’t get on board (which I doubt he will if he’s anything like the Southern Baptists I know), you need to find a new one. Also, what his wife said is completely unbiblical, which is ironic, and would have completely turned me off.

    You need to have a serious talk with your FH if you have any inkling that he’s expecting you to make a vow to obey him. That has HUGE implications on how your marriage will function, and will cause serious issues down the road if the two of you have different ideas of what it’s going to look like.

    BTW, this is coming from a woman who married a Southern Baptist in a Southern Baptist Church by a Southern Baptist pastor who included the “obey” vow.
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  • Dillydilly
    Dedicated April 2018
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    To add to that: I was married in the early 90's - did not want the word obey. The minister was all: "Oh but you really should to but if you don't, that is cool." Well......I am up there, reciting vows and he slips in the word obey. Now, I was nervous and on auto-pilot and my ex never held me to it (Obviously) but I did have to endure teasing for the next few years about it. And I can take teasing as much as the next person but it irked me to no end that I had to say a word, ANY WORD that I specifically said I did not want. Your fiance should support you in any and every way here. Next wedding? Hiring a civil officiant with no religion in the service, we are saying what WE want. Best wishes.

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