Just wondering what everybody's thoughts on her comments regarding being a submissive wife are. http://mobi.perezhilton.com/2014-01-08-candace-cameron-bure-devout-christian-lifestyle-submissive-to-husband-new-book#.UtPiWWS9Kc0
Just wondering what everybody's thoughts on her comments regarding being a submissive wife are.
I don't really think some people are getting it. Being a submissive wife does not mean I am not an independent woman. It doesn't mean I don't have my own thoughts and feelings. It doesn't mean I am a maid. It doesn't mean that we are not partners or that we don't make decisions together and compromise. It means that I would do anything for him, but he would do anything for me as well. We talk through decisions and we both have a say. But I also respect him enough to trust his judgement and guidance and give up some of the things I would usually be more stubborn about.
Then you dont know the deffinition of the word submissive
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April 2014
Aleykit* ·
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Shannon A- That is why I said women hear the word submissive, and don't really think it through. They fear that their independence is being stolen from them, and that is NOT the case.
I can understand this for other people, for sure. And certainly if that's your thing, go for it.
My grandmother definitely fit this role, of being a "submissive" wife (but trust that my grandfather didn't get to push her around!) and I really didn't understand it when I was a teenager and becoming independent. But I asked her about it and she explained that it's what she wanted because she wanted the best for her family and things being this way genuinely made her happy.
But my mother is a strong, independent woman and while my father and her are generally partners, I'd say she's the head of the household. In fact (and I'm emulating her, I think), she's both the "submissive" wife and the head of household, and for whatever reason, it works.
I appreciate everyone's feedback, it's very interesting to see different opinions and refreshing that this is only a discussion and not a debate.
I do think the use of the word submissive is antiquated although i'm happy that this method has worked for her.
As an atheist (truly believing there is no God) I am more inclined to not use the word submissive but I do believe in compromise in every relationship.
However, I believe that there is no King or Queen of the castle. Just two jokers.
I don't agree that every household needs to have one person in charge and one who supports the head person. If that works for you, that's great! I'm not hear to judge, that's just not my personal view on the matter. My fiance and I have the same view of marriage. We are a team, no one person is in charge. We make decisions together and support each other. It has worked for the 3 years that we have lived together so I have faith it will work for the next 50.
I think if she didn't use the word submissive this article wouldn't have been as "controversial" as it is. The word Submissive has such a negative stigma attached to it that when some women read it they instantly get mad and accuse to author especially when it is a male.
At the end of the day, I've NEEDED FH to step in and make decisions for me or handle situations for me. Sometimes, he's needed me to do so. In those moments, I do submit to him and I think that is a beautiful thing that I trust him enough to make the right decisions for ME. That he has my best interest at heart.
I agree on this one. Coming from a culture that already puts a lot of dominance on the male as head of the household (I'm Korean, but born & raised here in the US), I grew-up with this sort of embedded in me. I am by nature a mostly docile (I say mostly because I only get defensive if provoked to an extreme lol - and when this level of provocation is reached - watch out! haha) person, and I guess I do play the more "submissive" role in my own relationship/future marriage. I also grew up very Christian and although I do not go to church any more, do still consider myself a Christian.
That said, she does have a point. Marriage/relationships are definitely partnerships, but in order to make it work successfully, I do think 1 partner has to be "more submissive" than the other. Kind of like with dogs where 1 is the pack leader, ala Cesar Millan (as you can see, I watch a lot of "The Dog Whisperer"! haha).
Let me just say, I am as independent as they come. I have taken care of myself and my daughter on my own for five years prior to meeting my FH. It has nothing to do with not being respected as an independent woman, because I can guarantee you that is what my FH loves about me. He knows I am capable and competent and he doesn't have to worry about my choices either because I am independent. However, you can't be independent in a marriage because you're joining your life with another person. If you're that independent, then your marriage will surely fail. You can't think individually anymore when you're married because you are no longer one, you are one with your spouse. You have to think for the both of you.
I just cannot get my mind around this sort of thing. I was taught that relationships are a partnership - not one person holding more power than the other, but both being equal. My fiance does not make decisions for me, but neither do I make decisions for him. We work things out together. If it means we sometimes take a bit more time to come to a compromise because we disagree on something - so be it; we still come up with something that in the end works for BOTH of us.
Relationships are about partnerships and compromise, not one person being in charge.
I can't read it at work and I'm not really reading all the comments, but this is my input:
I grew up in a conservative Baptist faith and my mom was submissive to the point of abuse and our pastor told her to "trust in God" and that my father would stop beating the crap out of her. I don't trust anyone who tells me to be submissive and go along with what my FH wants to do. Screw that noise. We will be partners and compromise. If it is something important to him and not to me, then I'll let him have his way. If it is important to me and not to him, then he'll let me do it my way. If it is important to both of us, we'll sit down and have a conversation about it and try to come to a resolution.
Love and Marriage isn't about obedience and submission. Love and Marriage is about compromise and trust in each other. Obedience and submission is for dog training.
Ugh still missing it and getting stuck on the modern meaning of the word submissive. When there is a decision to be made, there is an equal discussion. If the husband would do anything to make the wife happy, then there is no way he would make a decision that the wife had not agreed upon
I think that there are a lot of women commenting without reading the article. She probably shouldn't have used the word "submissive" because when she goes on to explain what she meant I agree with her. She clearly says her opinion is voiced and heard and they make decisions together.
Read the article!!! My goodness with the uninformed comments.
I can't read the link at work..but I can say that I was raised in a single parent household and my mother did a PHENOMENAL job. Because of her, I was raised to be independent and I haven't ever had to rely or depend on anyone. FH knows I'm very strong-willed. We're entering our marriage as partners. I don't think either one of us is dominant and I don't want us to be. We both work, we both contribute to the monthly income. We both make the decisions.
For the record; we're both Christians.
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I don't think this concept would fly with any of my couples. The word is loaded, and I don't know why she used it. To say. "my voice is heard" is like thanking her husband for taking her opinion into account. Sorry. No.
But sometimes there ARE decisions in which two people want totally the opposite things..Somebody has to lose in that case..always deferring to one partner is not equal. Any way you slice it.
I guess I'm just confused as to what then is the difference from one side of this debate to the other. If those saying they are having Hubby the leader so to speak are also saying they have an equal partnership and he makes decisions to make the wife happy..how is this different? Are those having the male as head of the household twisting it to make themselves feel like they are more equal than they really are..is someone trying to convince me of something? I am not being facetious, I'm just confused here and want to know. Because I view it as a shared, equal team process..that doesn't mean I'm less of a Christian and it doesn't mean I don't trust my hubby.
I feel like there are some things on each side that people here agree on..I dunno. Does my post make sense? lol.
For people who can't read the 'article' This is what she says
"The definition I'm using with the word submissive, is the Biblical definition of that. So, it is meekness — it is not weakness. It is strength under control, it is bridled strength. It is very difficult to have two heads of authority. It doesn't work in military, it doesn't work- I mean you have one President, you know what I'm saying?" -