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OldSchoolKindaLove
Devoted September 2018

Finances in Marriage

OldSchoolKindaLove, on April 5, 2019 at 10:00 AM Posted in Married Life 0 70

I am in desperate need of advice, please!

My husband and I got married in September. Prior to our wedding he told me all these great things he was doing financially to benefit us. He said he had a savings account he was putting some of his paycheck into, he was paying off the smaller parts of his debts, and he was budgeting his money. ( Little history I broke off our engagement due to his financial instability and hiding it from me when we lived together, prior to marriage). Anyways, I truly trusted him and thought he had started to make a change for the better. We discussed (BUT not in depth, future brides please don't make this mistake if you see this) how we would handle finances and decided the best way was for each of us to have a separate account for our fun money, and a joint for our bill money. I really thought this would make things easy. We opened our joint account in November, since then my husband hasn't put any money into the joint account. I have asked multiple times and he just simply likes to say, "I forgot" when does this excuse end? Fast forward a few months into our marriage, and I begin to use Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps to help us budget. I asked for his personal bank information so I could track spending to find out what we are spending and on what. After I tried to sync his account multiple times without success, when questioned he stated he still had his old cell phone # on his account. I requested he change the primary # to his new phone #. He claimed he did and yet again the account wouldn't sync. He kept saying he didn't understand why it wasn't working. I let it go and just moved forward utilizing the Baby Steps for my own personal financial growth. I am seeing a counselor every other week to discuss how to communicate more effectively, how to deal with new marital changes, anxiety, depression, etc. Anyways, about a month ago on my way home my husband calls and stated that the power was turned off at our house. He was able to get it turned on the same day, but when I asked why it was shut off he stated it was because the bill said we owed over $1000, but that wasn't true because he had paid $300 on it yesterday. ( History, we decided I would cover half of rent, auto insurance on both vehicles, and since the medical insurance is in my name that would be my responsibility. He stated he would cover the electric, water, and cable, which we dropped cable the previous month of the electric being cut off). I asked him to explain why the bill wasn't paid in full? He simply stated that since we had a $600 bill right after Christmas he was unable to pay. Which in reality our portion of the $600 bill was only $300 because our landlord gave us $300 to put on it because it was discovered that the air/heat unit wasn't working correctly. Anyways, come to find out he spent all but $140 of the money our landlord gave him on other things and gave me the $140 to put in the joint account. He then asked me where I put the $300 he gave me from our landlord. I had to print out the bank statement to prove I only put $150 in the bank bc I added $10 he got from my grandparents from Christmas into the account. Fast forward to this week, he text me Wednesday and stated he didn't have lunch money. I told him he could meet me at our local park where a function was going on that I was attending and he could get $ or eat lunch with me at the park. He drove by the park and called me stating, " There's too many people for me, I have about $7 so I am going to just go get me something." I responded with, "OK." Yesterday, he sent another text stating he was again without lunch $ I told him to meet me for lunch. Now, at this point I was curious as to what his bank account was really at, so since I had his info from trying to sync to Dave Ramsey Baby Steps I logged on. I honestly thought I would see his account with like $3-$4 left. Which would have been okay, Nope his account was negative by 80 cents because he spent 80 cents more than what he had in his account which means now he's getting a charge for being negative. And he does not have a savings account? Talk about a double whammy. I couldn't resist so at lunch I asked him, " I have a stupid question, but How do you overdraft your account for 80 cents and at McDonalds no less? He then tried to say that he didn't know how that happened, and that he checked his account prior to getting lunch and the money should have been in there. I couldn't believe that I was hearing, but I didn't want to cause a scene. I left it alone and went back to work. When I got home, he was looking for his W2 because we are going to file taxes soon. He forgot I had put it up, so I found it while he was still looking. Now, the kicker here is I found out what his annual salary is and his bring home. I couldn't believe the numbers I was seeing especially after discovering he was over drafted. I then told him that our combined income puts us into the upper middle class range on taxes. Which concerns me because I have student loans which are being paid back according to income. Now I don't know how those will be effected because of his salary, which he has nothing to show for it, and yes I mean NOTHING! I then asked his debt to income ratio, and he doesn't know. He simply stated that our CPA can figure that out when we do taxes? I don't know what to do. I feel so betrayed and hurt by this, and he thinks it's all fine and dandy. Ladies, please advise.

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Latest activity by Michael, on May 14, 2019 at 8:22 AM
  • Sarah
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    Sarah ·
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    You need to sit down and speak with a financial advisor- together. Make it a non-negotiable. If he isn’t willing to come clean about his debt or what his debt to income ratio is (the CPA isn’t going to do this for you if you have a simple return), you need to decide if you’re comfortable staying in a marriage where you have no idea what is happening financially. For me personally, I wouldn’t be comfortable trusting someone with any of my bills who can’t even tell me why they overdrafted buying lunch or what their debt total is.
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    "I am seeing a counselor every other week to discuss how to communicate more effectively, how to deal with new marital changes, anxiety, depression, etc"

    The problem isn't your communication skills. The problem is that your husband has repeatedly lied to you about your shared finances. Meet with a lawyer or advisor to discuss how to protect your individual assets.

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  • Courtney
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    You two need to look at every single one of your bank accounts together and then make an appointment with a financial advisor to go over your debts. I personally see lying about money as manipulation. He is not fulfilling his share of the responsibilities and is making you cover for him, which would break my trust if I were in that situation. If he has debt that’s something you can talk about, lying about spending bill money and letting the lights get turned off is a completely different story. He needs to be honest about where the money comes from and where it goes. If you don’t intervene and work on this together quickly I would guess it will get much much worse than one overdue bill.
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  • AtoZ
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    Yikes, I feel like this is a very dangerous financial situation. I agree with PP, I would meet with a financial advisor together and figure out what's going on and how you can solve the issue. Does he have a lot of debt or is he just a frivolous spender? I also agree with meeting with a lawyer to discuss protecting your personal assets.

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  • Summerbride77
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    I have to agree with this. There are so many red flags here. My FH and I are very open about our fianance we have been seen we moved into together. Money problems is a common reason marriages don’t work and lying about money problems are just compounding everything. Your FH isn’t treating you like his wife, part of a joint team.

    We we will be setting up automatic deposits into our joint and fun money accounts. most of our money is going into the joint. To me that’s part of getting married.

    I would reccomend you do couples therapy, look into protecting your finances, and do financial training together. But has much as I hate to say it, is something doesn’t change I worry you have a hard decision ahead of
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  • Tammy
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    You need to sit down with a financial advisor. My H and I decided (for us since we are over 30) that just keeping separate accounts is the best and we combine all household bills at the beginning of the month and divide by 2 and each pay our half. This has worked for years for us but I also know what he has in his accounts and credit score and vice versa.


    Also as far as student loans mine are also on an income plan but filing taxes jointly would effect that however IF we file married but separately it does not actually effect my loan status so look into different possibilities. You won't be able to claim as many breaks (I can't remember the word lol) but to us this was better.

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  • Mandy
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    My FH and I have already had this talk several times, but we're both very good with money and budgeting.

    He can split his paycheck into multiple bank accounts. Therefore, X would go into his personal account as his "fun money" and the rest would go into a joint for bills, groceries, date nights, etc. I wouldn't give him access to the account without your approval though or I see him going through it quick. If he runs out of "fun money" he will just be SOL until next paycheck.

    I'd go seek counseling together. Make him print off statements for the last several months. Go through them. See where he is spending his money. My issue wouldn't be the spending as much as it would be the blatant lies he has told you.

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  • Danielle
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    My FH is soooo similar to yours in certain ways that you described. He is awful about finances and talking about finances. It's like pulling teeth to get a straight answer from him, he avoids the topic, and waits till it's too late to tell me a "surprise" bill popped up, etc. He makes more money than me, but somehow never has any. I pay for so much more than he does, it's ridiculous. I've even been paying for our entire wedding by myself, because he just wouldn't contribute. I tried to get him to, I even tried to put a jar out for us to put wedding money into for vendors, but I ended up being the only one adding any money...he even took money out of it one time, so I STOPPED doing that. It's to the point where I know for a fact, I will be the only one saving up for the house we want to buy next year. Anyways, I could go on and on....him/finances has been my major issue with him, but I'm trying to be hopeful and work on it. I told him I want joint everything when we get married. I'm hoping that way I can get a better idea on his finances, since he won't talk to me about them, and have some more insight and control over it all.

    Side note: me and my ex (my daughter's father) had a great grasp on financial communication, and a system that worked so well for us. He wasn't good with finances either, and neither of us made a lot of money. But what worked great for us, was he would give me his pay check, i'd combine it with mine, we each got $50 allowance every week to spend on whatever we wanted, and the rest went towards bills, groceries, gas, etc. I wish I could convince my FH to do the same. It would be so much easier, and I'd be able to rest easy knowing all the bills are getting paid and we are saving money.

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  • Mandy
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    That's similar to our plan. We're going to keep like $100 from each paycheck for US and the rest goes into a joint account for our bills, groceries, gas, out to eat, etc. The US money is just like if I wanted to go to a concert without him or if I buy him a little gift.. things of that nature.

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  • Nicole
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    I totally agree that sitting down together and figuring it out (with a financial advisor) is a great idea.

    Money is a hard thing to talk about and some people find it very shameful. My FH and I try to normalize talking about finances as much as possible by having a monthly family meeting where we pour ourselves a nice beer, pull up the budgeting spreadsheet we use, and talk about our spending from the last month and what the upcoming month looks like. We have all of our necessary bills outlined along with any debts we have (credit cards, student loans, etc), and any other budgets (groceries, going out, gas, pet upkeep, etc), so that it is all right there along with our monthly income. The income gets split out between all the bills and budgets, and then we each get a ratio of the leftover money for our fun money. The first time we did this I also pulled our credit reports in order to level set any debts. We also talk about anything going on that month with us, trials and tribulations, things we are looking forward to, and how we are doing just mentally.

    Honestly my FH was never really good about managing his money either but once we started approaching it in this way where it was a normal thing to talk about it got easier.


    I do think that you need to decide if you are willing to stay in a marriage with someone who is willing to lie to you over joint expenses. You may want to see a counselor together in addition to a financial advisor. Like PP said, make it a non negotiable part of moving forward with this marriage.


    Best of luck to you, I hope everything works out for the best.

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  • Danielle
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    It really does work so well. I'm hoping I can convince my FH to do the same.

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  • Formerbride
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    I am often shocked at how bad people are with money. But lying about it is unacceptable. Financial insecurity is a major no no. What is he spending his money on? That's the real question because maybe this is actually a larger issue. I feel really bad for you. He might not see it this way, but this is a major betrayal of trust.

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  • Katie
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    What in God's name is he spending all this money on?!

    Seriously, if you have access to his account, where is it going? Are there a bunch of cash withdrawals that could mean he's using money for some sort of an addiction? Drugs? Gambling?
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  • Wendy
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    Wow!!!! First of all I am sorry that you are going through this... and secondly, reading this reminds me of my mom and stepdad who are now divorced!!! For 10yrs my mom went through the same thing (they were married for 20-25). My mom got sick and stopped working so that’s when it really became a major problem.. since she was working she chose to have separate finances because of him.. but once she got sick and stopped working of course things changed.. she would ask the same questions.. how much money you make? Where this money go? Why do we owe on this bill? We need to pay this, we need this for the kids and so on.. I honestly never understood how she didn’t know how much money he made.. as spouses aren’t we supposed to know this things...?🤔 anyways... my mom tried so hard to make him change his way, to save money, to stop waisting it on stupid things before paying bills, and so on... well, later throughout the process she learned that he liked to gamble and that’s where most of the money went.. she then tried to seem him realize his problem.. tried to help him change and so on.. well all that financial problems affected their marriage and ultimately she asked for divorce... of course she tried to fix it but he wouldn’t change for no one (his words)... it’s sad because to this day he still the same (it’s only been about 3yrs after the divorce) and he has nothing to show.. my dad, along w my siblings live in my FH’s and I rental home in Vegas.. my mom moved out... my dad (stepdad) has no savings and still working and I don’t know what his plan is...

    my advice, have a serious talk with him and try to see where his money is really going... sounds like he makes good money, and for him to not have any, not even for lunch money sounds ridiculous... does he have a different account? Or accounts? Is he helping family out? Does he have debt that you don’t know? Does he gamble ? So on.. my FH and I have been together for 11yrs (we’re 29/30) and before we moved in together we agreed on how our finances would be.. of course we barely made any money at first so every penny counted.. but now we both have our careers and make so much.. We use this website call Mint.. it tracks all your spendings and you can set up budgets.. we have 1 joint account which is the bills account, 2 credit cards together, our cars together and 2 mortgages (3 in August). We both have individual credit cards, savings and checking... I give him about 75% of each check for the bills and everything else is for me to save up and my spendings and he does the same. we both have all of our accounts linked on Mint so we see where the money is going..

    you need to figure out a way to fix your finances because eventually it will drain you out.. just like my parents... Good luck!
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    He needs to be honest with you about the finances. Me and FH do not put our monies together but we get the bills paid. I dont see why he cant just give you x amount each month and the bills are paid. He has shown that he cant be trusted with paying bills because in no way could I be sitting in a dark house, we are too grown for that

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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    Honestly, I have no clue what he is spending his money on. After I saw his account I felt so betrayed. I saw a few charges which I had no clue what they could even be for, plus a lot of ATM fees left and right because he chooses not to use a bank ATM. I guess it's just not convenient enough or something. I don't have a clue, and honestly I am so hurt I feel like I don't even know the man I married. He promised things prior to our wedding and he vowed to take care of me and uncovering all of this, I feel like he lied to me, betrayed my trust, and doesn't feel any remorse at all for his actions.

    I have tried to sit down and talk finances time and time again. I have offered to help catch up bills, and he simply tells me No he will figure out a way, but apparently that's just another lie to cover the first lie....The trust in our marriage has completely dissolved. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him so to speak.

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  • Rachel
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    I’m so sorry! I’d make an appointment with a finincial person, CPA, whoever, that both of you attend so you can get to the bottom of where the heck his money goes. I would feel incredibly betrayed as well if my FS did this. To be totally honest even though I don’t expect something like this to happen, if it did I would not be married to my FH for long, as excited as I am to get married I’m not about to let anyone mess with my livelihood. No way would I stick around if our power went out and he lied about how much the landlord gave you and asked for lunch money, etc.
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    We only use the CPA for taxes. I never expected this to happen to me either. I honestly can say that I regret marrying my husband at this point. I haven't decided how much more I can stand or how long I can stay in this relationship if something hasn't changed. That's why I have asked my counselor, family, friends, and the ladies on WW to help me. I was the person who always thought I would get married once and that would be it, but you can't always see the future. I guess either way if by some miracle we work it out and stay together or if we end up going our separate ways it's a lesson learned.

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    I'm so sorry. The cash withdrawals may be a sign too. We don't need cash for almost anything anymore. I would pay close attention to other physical signs and his emotional state.

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  • HayMrsO
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    I am so sorry that you are in this point. It makes me angry for you that he does not see that this is a huge issue. Trust over finances is so important in a marriage. My husbands ex wife created a financial disaster and hid it from him for so long. She was also a serial cheater. He said he would have put up with the cheating, but for her to put him and their kids in the position of losing their home? That was the final straw. I have poured through records and I still cannot for the life of me figure out what she was spending the money on. She does not have a drug problem. Gambling wasn't her thing. She certainly didn't spend it on clothes, shoes or bags. It is baffling to me.

    I would hate for something like that to happen to you. I would tell him that either you go to counseling to get your finances in order (I would put him on a strict, cash only budget) or you are out. It's still early. It won't get better unless he agrees to real, solid change. If he does not, then wish him the best.

    Hugs to you. Making these decisions can't be easy. But you deserve to feel stable in your relationship. And it sounds like he has ripped the rug out from under you. Not fair at all.


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