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OldSchoolKindaLove
Devoted September 2018

Finances in Marriage

OldSchoolKindaLove, on April 5, 2019 at 10:00 AM

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I am in desperate need of advice, please! My husband and I got married in September. Prior to our wedding he told me all these great things he was doing financially to benefit us. He said he had a savings account he was putting some of his paycheck into, he was paying off the smaller parts of his...

I am in desperate need of advice, please!

My husband and I got married in September. Prior to our wedding he told me all these great things he was doing financially to benefit us. He said he had a savings account he was putting some of his paycheck into, he was paying off the smaller parts of his debts, and he was budgeting his money. ( Little history I broke off our engagement due to his financial instability and hiding it from me when we lived together, prior to marriage). Anyways, I truly trusted him and thought he had started to make a change for the better. We discussed (BUT not in depth, future brides please don't make this mistake if you see this) how we would handle finances and decided the best way was for each of us to have a separate account for our fun money, and a joint for our bill money. I really thought this would make things easy. We opened our joint account in November, since then my husband hasn't put any money into the joint account. I have asked multiple times and he just simply likes to say, "I forgot" when does this excuse end? Fast forward a few months into our marriage, and I begin to use Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps to help us budget. I asked for his personal bank information so I could track spending to find out what we are spending and on what. After I tried to sync his account multiple times without success, when questioned he stated he still had his old cell phone # on his account. I requested he change the primary # to his new phone #. He claimed he did and yet again the account wouldn't sync. He kept saying he didn't understand why it wasn't working. I let it go and just moved forward utilizing the Baby Steps for my own personal financial growth. I am seeing a counselor every other week to discuss how to communicate more effectively, how to deal with new marital changes, anxiety, depression, etc. Anyways, about a month ago on my way home my husband calls and stated that the power was turned off at our house. He was able to get it turned on the same day, but when I asked why it was shut off he stated it was because the bill said we owed over $1000, but that wasn't true because he had paid $300 on it yesterday. ( History, we decided I would cover half of rent, auto insurance on both vehicles, and since the medical insurance is in my name that would be my responsibility. He stated he would cover the electric, water, and cable, which we dropped cable the previous month of the electric being cut off). I asked him to explain why the bill wasn't paid in full? He simply stated that since we had a $600 bill right after Christmas he was unable to pay. Which in reality our portion of the $600 bill was only $300 because our landlord gave us $300 to put on it because it was discovered that the air/heat unit wasn't working correctly. Anyways, come to find out he spent all but $140 of the money our landlord gave him on other things and gave me the $140 to put in the joint account. He then asked me where I put the $300 he gave me from our landlord. I had to print out the bank statement to prove I only put $150 in the bank bc I added $10 he got from my grandparents from Christmas into the account. Fast forward to this week, he text me Wednesday and stated he didn't have lunch money. I told him he could meet me at our local park where a function was going on that I was attending and he could get $ or eat lunch with me at the park. He drove by the park and called me stating, " There's too many people for me, I have about $7 so I am going to just go get me something." I responded with, "OK." Yesterday, he sent another text stating he was again without lunch $ I told him to meet me for lunch. Now, at this point I was curious as to what his bank account was really at, so since I had his info from trying to sync to Dave Ramsey Baby Steps I logged on. I honestly thought I would see his account with like $3-$4 left. Which would have been okay, Nope his account was negative by 80 cents because he spent 80 cents more than what he had in his account which means now he's getting a charge for being negative. And he does not have a savings account? Talk about a double whammy. I couldn't resist so at lunch I asked him, " I have a stupid question, but How do you overdraft your account for 80 cents and at McDonalds no less? He then tried to say that he didn't know how that happened, and that he checked his account prior to getting lunch and the money should have been in there. I couldn't believe that I was hearing, but I didn't want to cause a scene. I left it alone and went back to work. When I got home, he was looking for his W2 because we are going to file taxes soon. He forgot I had put it up, so I found it while he was still looking. Now, the kicker here is I found out what his annual salary is and his bring home. I couldn't believe the numbers I was seeing especially after discovering he was over drafted. I then told him that our combined income puts us into the upper middle class range on taxes. Which concerns me because I have student loans which are being paid back according to income. Now I don't know how those will be effected because of his salary, which he has nothing to show for it, and yes I mean NOTHING! I then asked his debt to income ratio, and he doesn't know. He simply stated that our CPA can figure that out when we do taxes? I don't know what to do. I feel so betrayed and hurt by this, and he thinks it's all fine and dandy. Ladies, please advise.

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    Future Mrs. Polar Bear ·
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    OMG...I wrote a long letter but I'm shortening it to just this...

    He needs to go to financial counseling with you, and the two of you need to be a team through and through, meaning everything is both of yours, not just one of yours. It's "our" rent, "our" cell phone bill, etc. He needs to give you full access, and you two need to come up with a budget and stick to it.

    If he isn't willing to go to counseling, isn't willing to give you access to his monies, bill accounts etc etc than this is a much bigger discussion. He needs to be trustworthy, otherwise, why are you married, yea know? What's he hiding that he isn't willing to do these things, share this information with you, etc?

    I wish you loads of luck! and I'm so sorry you are going through this. No one should have to figure things like this out after the fact. Stay strong!

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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    I want to be a partner not a mother. If I wanted to be a mother I would have had a child. That being said, prior to our wedding my husband's father made a statement about how much $ I had. His father couldn't believe that I was capable of having a savings that big ( it's not that big, BTW). He then told his son that if she has all that money why isn't she paying for the wedding, which I did pay for about 2/3 of the wedding. My now husband claims he defended me, but now with everything going on I wonder if that's even true.

    Unfortunately at this point, I can't/don't trust my husband to have access nor know the exact amounts in my personal account. He has a ballpark idea but not exact. With the trust already being broken, I am scared that he would find a way to either blow through my entire savings or find a way for him to at least get half possibly more, if we do split up since there was no pre-nup agreement.

    I did tell him when we got married that I had approximately X in my savings and we used Y for the wedding from my savings, and he knows I put 25% of my check into savings every payday, this is something I did prior to our marriage and with the way I budget and handle my personal finances it doesn't take away from the bills. I also take X amount from my paycheck to place into the joint account for bills, which is about 30% of my paycheck. The rest stays in my personal account which I use for my personal gas, lunches, shopping, etc.

    His salary is almost double mine, and I averaged up the bills we have together and from all the numbers I have crunched I still end up paying more towards the bills than he does. I ask all the time where his $ goes and he even says he doesn't know. I've asked for statements so we can budget together and I will help him find out where the $ goes, he always has an excuse...

    I am going to suggest a financial counselor for him, since he isn't capable of letting me help him. Maybe it'll work, but he may not go for it. Same thing happened when I suggested he see a counselor like I am to help him adjust to marriage. He didn't like that idea either.


    Am I wrong if I don't let him know the exact amount in my personal accounts bc I can't financially trust him?

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  • Formerbride
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    I think you need to protect yourself. Although it's hard to justify asking something of someone you are not willing to do yourself, I think it's necessary to keep your savings to yourself. The fact that he isn't sure where his money is going is alarming.
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    No, at this point, you really need to be prepared for anything. If he is so bad at money you have to keep yourself protected.

    He really needs to figure his "stuff" out. Like you said you want to be a wife not a mother. He needs to step up his game, or walk.

    I'm so sorry he's doing this to you. This is just horrible. You need to take care of yourself. Ask him about counselling but if he doesn't do it, gosh I just don't know. He needs to grow up and be a man...and if your FIL said that, he isn't much of a man either. Just because you were smart and have a savings doesn't mean your the bread winner, nor should pay for all the bills or all of your wedding. That's just ridiculous.

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  • Michael
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    Let me start off by saying this: I currently make more than my FW (in 50 days), but I work, take out the trash, spend quality time with the children and her. I do nothing with the money but earn it. It wouldn’t matter if I made a million dollars twice a year, I TRUST HER COMPLETELY to use the income to maintain our home. All purchases are made with each other’s knowledge and we discuss major purchases and plan accordingly if necessary.

    In your case, you may have to disrupt the flow a bit to gain the financial sanity back in your home. Some family structures work better than others, so since you already know what decision to make and what needs to be done, find the approach that works for you and implement it confidently, lovingly and steadily. The goal is to keep your home from financially devouring you so you can at least breathe again for your upcoming anniversary.
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    I don't really know what approach to take. We discussed him cutting back on expenses over the weekend, and he handed over his debit card to his account for all of one day, then said he needed it for gas to mow the grass. I handed it to him and haven't seen it since. I was so mad, hurt, but mostly tired that when we talked I didn't even shed a tear. Which is unusual for me. I am a very sensitive person, but I am beginning to feel numb to him anymore.

    If you have some advice on how I can, disrupt the flow so to speak let me know. I am open to suggestions.

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  • Michael
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    Since all relationships differ, I’ll share with you what worked for us and it may sting him a bit, but sometimes we (males) need to “feel” for us to truly understand there’s a problem.

    Simply ask him these three questions: 1) Why did he marry you, 2) why did he lie about the changes that caused you all to break up before and 3) Is he afraid to trust you with the finances. If answers those any other way other than truthfully, then you will have to take control of the finances. You shouldn’t have to but he’s leaving you very few options. You may have Ben have to go to the extreme and restrict his access altogether. But something needs to change.

    Is it too hard for him to be consistent with a budget and plan?
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  • Michael
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    My fiancée asked me the first and last questions from what I posted. Since I couldn’t answer the third one, I had to consider what she was saying and go for it.
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    I can't restrict anything, I am not on his account. We decided to have our own personal accounts and one joint account for bills ( which he doesn't even put $ in) . I have asked him those questions, and when he answers his response is 1.) Because I love you 2.) I told you about the credit card, I told you about this, I told you about that...which he didn't but in his mind he told me about things 3.) I have no problem with you taking over. The issue isn't what he says, it's his actions in which follow. Like I stated, he gave me his debit card and was like keep it until I need it for something you deem necessary....which lasted all of one day. I am not the type who wants to control or be a motherly figure. I am not going to force him to do something he doesn't want to do. I was in abusive relationships in my past in which I was emotionally controlled. I can't do it to someone else. If he loves me why can't he just get his act together? I've already told him how I feel, what I want, etc. He just doesn't seem to care. He's used to spending his $ however he sees fit I suppose. When I asked him about his savings account, he told me he gave me everything he had to put toward the wedding, which my response was, " Then why didn't we postpone like I wanted to?" If we couldn't financially afford it why did you go through with it? Then he shut down on the phone and said we would talk when I got home....This always seems to be the case. He wants to discuss it later, and by the time later comes I am too tired to keep fighting.

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  • Michael
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    THAT, shutting down and we’ll talk later method, is a form of control. This is a marriage, a team effort, a joint lifelong adventure. Neither of you should feel controlled by the other; which is connected to the next point: there should no deceit when it comes to the finances. NONE. If a plan is created, a conscious effort should be made to stick to the plan. If a “want” is desired, that should be a purchase that is logged or something, not simply forgotten about.

    It sounds as though there is something else he is struggling with for him to not be honest with you about going through with the wedding instead of postponing it. It could be something as simple embarrassment on his part or something more. It sounds like he’s not really sure what a committed marriage is about.

    Also, what changes were actually made by him that you saw that assured you this wouldn’t be a repeat of how you were when you broke up before? Was this issue discussed before the wedding or when your FIL made that comment about you paying for the wedding? Does his account have your name on it? I mean an easy solution would be to have his income direct deposited into his account, add you as an authorized user to it, then set up an automatic debit from his account to yours or the bills account and you ensure the bills are paid. Do you think that may work?
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    He was paying extra towards his debts, I saw receipts. He was doing side jobs and stating he was putting some into a savings account, and giving me some for the wedding. We even took and had house plans drawn up so we could begin building our house in February of this year...We had a plan.

    We discussed how finances would be handled. The joint account was used for bills, and the rest was our personal money to do whatever with. We would each put some in to build our personal savings. He even told his dad that I was good with money and could budget, and how he couldn't wait to start a budget and work on building for the future. His personal account does not have my name on it, because my personal account doesn't have his name on it. That's why we have one joint account. I really thought this would cause less fights over finances, and in the event that one of us was financially irresponsible ( like he was in the past) they couldn't just take whatever from the other persons account. He has direct deposit set up to his own personal account. If he would just withdrawal the bill money from his account and place in the joint it would be easier, but he just doesn't do that. Plus, if he adds me as an authorized user to his account, I would feel the need to be fair and add him to mine, but the truth is I can't trust him financially.


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  • Michael
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    Then maybe the solution is a simple matter of establishing an automatic transfer of an estimated amount of money for the expenses from his account. That way he won’t have to worry about it and you will have the security of knowing it will always be deposited into the joint account to cover the expenses. If something goes wrong, you’ll automatically know it was the bank and not your husband. See if that can be established. That may actually help and allow you to get back to the plan that was initially agreed upon.
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  • Mcskipper
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    Well, that would be a bandaid, not a solution. This man requires financial counseling , and if he’s unwilling that’s a major problem/red flag/for me personally - dealbreaker.

    OP, protect yourself. Look into filing taxes as “married, filing separately” — your income based student loan payments are a huge concern to me as once you’re married, filing jointly, you as a couple have ONE income. You say he makes almost double you, and now your loan payments will be based on your income plus his, and since it appears he’s not helping with anything financially, this is a major concern. Pre-marriage, I had a lapse in health insurance. I didn’t bother buying in to an independent plan , knowing that I would have coverage soon post wedding, AND thinking my income is low, the penalty is a small percentage of that— okay, manageable , and , way cheaper than buying into a private plan for a couple months. Lololol, joke’s on me bc even though we weren’t married then, we were by the end of the year ! So, the penalty is based on our combined income, so what I anticipated to be a couple hundred dollar problem turned into a couple thousand dollar problem. Protect yourself. I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I don’t envy you, but I can tell by your posts that you are a strong, hardworking women, and no matter what the outcome to all this, you personally will pull through!
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  • Michael
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    Without knowing the nuances of their relationship and seeing it firsthand, anything we provide may be viewed as a bandaid. Yes, financial counseling is essential for him to be better, but his issue runs deeper than financial ignorance, based on clues provided by the OP. So, to ease things towards conquering the true problem, whatever it may be within him, things should be handled one at a time to see what elements work and what process can work for their relationship. This may be a dealbreaker for the OP, but until she’s ready for that and has exhausted all efforts to improve their financial crisis, everything must be considered. It must also be recognized that without his conscious willingness to acknowledge within himself that he needs to do something different to make this work, this may never improve.
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    I am trying everything I know. I have asked for advice and I am trying to apply it as best as I can. I have asked him to close his personal account and place everything in the joint instead. He wasn't very keen on this idea, and instead simply stated he would add me as an authorized user to monitor his account. Our electricity has been turned off twice, and finally after the second time he turns to me saying he needs help....I asked why when I offered the first time he denied me, and all the sudden he needs my help. He's now claimed that he needs professional help, and he wants to see a counselor, he wants to be better, etc. I wish I could say I believe him, but all I could say is your actions will tell. I have now had to cover the electric bill on top of my other financial responsibilities. He claims he will pay me back, again we shall see. I just wish the lying about where the $ is going and has gone would stop. The root of our problem is I have been lied to and I told him I can't trust him anymore until he steps up. I appreciate everyone's advice, and I pray that no one else ever has to go through this. This is very hard,even-though as PP stated sound like a hardworking, strong woman even I don't know if I can fix it this time.

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    Thank you for the tax advice, because I wasn't sure what to do. We got our CPA to estimate it both ways, filing jointly and individually. I have been trying to decide what we should do since it's a $600 difference, but I would rather lose the lesser amount than come out worse in the long run whatever the long run may be.

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  • Michael
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    You got this. I agree with PP about you being strong. Women have a level of strength men can’t even fathom. I’ve seen it from my mother to my FW. With that said, use this as a beginning of your efforts. He’s starting by acknowledging he has an issue and needs help, so hold him accountable to that. He not being keen on having his income going into the joint account raises questions, but he replied with the compromise of adding you as an authorized user. That may definitely help a lot. With the financial situation being unbalanced right now, it’s okay for you to be an authorized user solely on his account without reciprocation on your part. The goal is to establish a secure financial foundation. You’re supposed to be one flesh anyway so why not if that works for you?

    If he is truly serious about getting help, have him define the purpose and reason for eliminating the root of this problem. Is it because he’s aware he has a problem and wants to change that about himself or is he doing this to satisfy you? Everything matters from the least to the greatest because it’s all connected. It’s clear he loves you. Has he ever been asked how much he loves himself? It’s only fair that he gives you the best version of himself as your husband and if he loves himself enough to be that best version of him for you, his wife, what’s wrong with him working with you to help him improve and become that?

    My FW loves me to the marrow of her bones and I do her. I listen to her suggestive projections of me because at the time she’s not pointing fingers or placing blame. It doesn’t always feel good when it’s happening, but there’s always room for me to improve myself for her as a husband to be and beyond, so the same may work for you two. You know him better than we do, so try getting the root problem with your husband’s financial ignorance revealed, so your strength and value can shine once again and remind him of the importance of the wife he has. That bright road of marriage perks is waiting for you to come through the storms, so, I’m rooting for you guys to conquer this, I really am.
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    Thanks. It helps to have a male perspective on these things. However, at this point he is accountable for his own actions. I will make the appointments and set reminders for him, but it's his own responsibility to show up. I can't force him to change, this is ultimately his decision. I don't doubt he loves me, but his actions have caused me to doubt why he married me. I've asked why did we get married several times, why did you marry me? He can only respond with because I love you. His actions are saying a different story, and I made this known last night when he was crying and I had no emotional response except to stare at him. I told him I've felt this same way for 3 months now, I have cried more tears than you will ever know. It's time your actions speak instead of your words. Maybe this will shake him to his core, and he will decide we, and our marriage are worth it, OR he could decide it's not. If this change isn't permanent because he is only doing it to satisfy me, it wont work. No one changes unless they truly want to become better for themselves. Change is a selfish action we do for us and us alone.

    I have recently discovered a whole new level of loving myself and I know I am worth it for him to change, he just has to make the decision for himself. At least I know I am worth it, and I learned that it's okay to sometimes put myself first for a change. I've always been the type person to do for others and give everything I have, but I forgot along the way that I have worth and value and deserve the same respect that I give to others. Maybe to some that may sound selfish, but it's something that I lacked in myself. I still want to help my husband and help others, but I realize I don't have to give, give, give, and give, until ultimately I break and tear myself down. I realize that I do have self worth, value, and my feelings do matter. Hopefully, he can realize that our marriage isn't working on the current path it's on, and we can get things back on track. I do love him, but one person can't make a marriage work, it takes two. I've given everything I have, it's time for him to start giving too.

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  • Michael
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    Yes! You are so right. That’s where it all begins: with him wanting to change. When he makes that change, things will be better. He’s just a marriage late on realizing that and needs to get it in gear for that change to be permanent. Does he have any male friends that have successfully overcome obstacles in their marriages? Do you have friends who are couples that can be related to about this issue?

    My FW still gives and gives and gives, like you mentioned you do. It’s like pulling teeth to get her to do things for herself and to show her that it’s not selfish. We all need our own personal time to ourselves at some point, so keep that balance with you.

    I believe your husband will make the effort, but the consistency may be challenging for him. This is not a quick fix problem so all efforts he makes have to be for the long term. I can’t really blame you for your stone faced reaction to him, but gauge his reception to you to see if it’s effective then modify it as necessary. One thing that helps us that may help you all, is that we consciously think about the other person and their needs. Somehow it works to the point where we never lack anything, unless I forget something for a moment of course, lol.

    Be confident in your husband and his task, but also do not be foolish. Be prepared as you always have been and you will be fine regardless of the outcome.
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  • Mcskipper
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    No problem, I don’t know a ton about the rest of the distinctions to be clear (I basically researched the differences between filing jointly and separately only until I determine it wasn’t the right move for us), just that it’s probably worth it to take into account what kind of difference it could have on loan payments (any more than an extra $50 a month in those would quickly be more than that 600 difference!), and the cpa should be able to give you more well rounded advice! . But, felt I should mention it because even though I KNEW a bit about how marriage would change our tax situation, I didn’t fully appreciate the reality of it, and even though I KNEW that even if we had only been married in day of 2018 we’d still be filing together , it somehow STILL blew my mind that they based the penalty on my personal insurance situation on the combined income 😳. Haha sure it probably shouldn’t have surprised me, but it sure did! 🤣
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