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OldSchoolKindaLove
Devoted September 2018

Finances in Marriage

OldSchoolKindaLove, on April 5, 2019 at 10:00 AM

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I am in desperate need of advice, please! My husband and I got married in September. Prior to our wedding he told me all these great things he was doing financially to benefit us. He said he had a savings account he was putting some of his paycheck into, he was paying off the smaller parts of his...

I am in desperate need of advice, please!

My husband and I got married in September. Prior to our wedding he told me all these great things he was doing financially to benefit us. He said he had a savings account he was putting some of his paycheck into, he was paying off the smaller parts of his debts, and he was budgeting his money. ( Little history I broke off our engagement due to his financial instability and hiding it from me when we lived together, prior to marriage). Anyways, I truly trusted him and thought he had started to make a change for the better. We discussed (BUT not in depth, future brides please don't make this mistake if you see this) how we would handle finances and decided the best way was for each of us to have a separate account for our fun money, and a joint for our bill money. I really thought this would make things easy. We opened our joint account in November, since then my husband hasn't put any money into the joint account. I have asked multiple times and he just simply likes to say, "I forgot" when does this excuse end? Fast forward a few months into our marriage, and I begin to use Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps to help us budget. I asked for his personal bank information so I could track spending to find out what we are spending and on what. After I tried to sync his account multiple times without success, when questioned he stated he still had his old cell phone # on his account. I requested he change the primary # to his new phone #. He claimed he did and yet again the account wouldn't sync. He kept saying he didn't understand why it wasn't working. I let it go and just moved forward utilizing the Baby Steps for my own personal financial growth. I am seeing a counselor every other week to discuss how to communicate more effectively, how to deal with new marital changes, anxiety, depression, etc. Anyways, about a month ago on my way home my husband calls and stated that the power was turned off at our house. He was able to get it turned on the same day, but when I asked why it was shut off he stated it was because the bill said we owed over $1000, but that wasn't true because he had paid $300 on it yesterday. ( History, we decided I would cover half of rent, auto insurance on both vehicles, and since the medical insurance is in my name that would be my responsibility. He stated he would cover the electric, water, and cable, which we dropped cable the previous month of the electric being cut off). I asked him to explain why the bill wasn't paid in full? He simply stated that since we had a $600 bill right after Christmas he was unable to pay. Which in reality our portion of the $600 bill was only $300 because our landlord gave us $300 to put on it because it was discovered that the air/heat unit wasn't working correctly. Anyways, come to find out he spent all but $140 of the money our landlord gave him on other things and gave me the $140 to put in the joint account. He then asked me where I put the $300 he gave me from our landlord. I had to print out the bank statement to prove I only put $150 in the bank bc I added $10 he got from my grandparents from Christmas into the account. Fast forward to this week, he text me Wednesday and stated he didn't have lunch money. I told him he could meet me at our local park where a function was going on that I was attending and he could get $ or eat lunch with me at the park. He drove by the park and called me stating, " There's too many people for me, I have about $7 so I am going to just go get me something." I responded with, "OK." Yesterday, he sent another text stating he was again without lunch $ I told him to meet me for lunch. Now, at this point I was curious as to what his bank account was really at, so since I had his info from trying to sync to Dave Ramsey Baby Steps I logged on. I honestly thought I would see his account with like $3-$4 left. Which would have been okay, Nope his account was negative by 80 cents because he spent 80 cents more than what he had in his account which means now he's getting a charge for being negative. And he does not have a savings account? Talk about a double whammy. I couldn't resist so at lunch I asked him, " I have a stupid question, but How do you overdraft your account for 80 cents and at McDonalds no less? He then tried to say that he didn't know how that happened, and that he checked his account prior to getting lunch and the money should have been in there. I couldn't believe that I was hearing, but I didn't want to cause a scene. I left it alone and went back to work. When I got home, he was looking for his W2 because we are going to file taxes soon. He forgot I had put it up, so I found it while he was still looking. Now, the kicker here is I found out what his annual salary is and his bring home. I couldn't believe the numbers I was seeing especially after discovering he was over drafted. I then told him that our combined income puts us into the upper middle class range on taxes. Which concerns me because I have student loans which are being paid back according to income. Now I don't know how those will be effected because of his salary, which he has nothing to show for it, and yes I mean NOTHING! I then asked his debt to income ratio, and he doesn't know. He simply stated that our CPA can figure that out when we do taxes? I don't know what to do. I feel so betrayed and hurt by this, and he thinks it's all fine and dandy. Ladies, please advise.

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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
    Devoted September 2018
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    We have one set of friends who have been married for two years, and they have never had any of these issues. So there's really no one to talk to.

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  • Kate
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    I 100% recommend seeing a counselor TOGETHER to talk about finances and any other underlying issurs. My ex fiancee had a spending problem and it is really like a drug addiction, but with spending. Your story sounds EXACTLY like ours. All the lying and not paying things and making excuses. It may be that you need to take more control of the finances until he is better able to cope with whatever is leading him to use spending as a coping mechanism.
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  • Michael
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    Hmm, what is the history of progress made between you two when discussing finances? Or has he ever been able to properly budget and control his finances or spending? It sounds like his solution to his money problems was to make more money, but that’s only a temporary solution to the symptom. The real cause of his lack of financial responsibility lies elsewhere.

    I was like him at one point. I would spend first and pay bills later. What got me to stop was not having anyone to rely on when things got tight. Then I made the choice to change. Your husband sounds like a great guy. Are there any community workshops or anything like that in the area you all may be able to attend? I’m not certain if that’s available in your area, but even some universities, churches, schools, brokerages or financial institutions may have something like that.

    Did you all apply any suggestions we gave here? Did they work? Did they help?
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  • Rachel
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    Just throwing this out there but since you don’t know where all the money goes is it possible he has a gambling problem you don’t know about?
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    We don't really have anywhere around us to gamble, but honestly I don't know.

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  • Rachel
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    There’s online gambling too, like poker for example.
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    That is true. I forgot about stuff like that. I couldn't tell you where his money goes. Last time I asked he said it was for nicotine and food.

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  • Rachel
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    There’s just no way that’s all it’s going toward. Your guys’ power has been turned off twice and he’s asking you for money on top of that. There’s just no way. Hopefully you get the real answer. Even if you don’t you should give yourself a timeline of the longest you’re willing to wait to see if his money habits change and stick to it.
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    I am about to my breaking point. If this isn't better by the end of May, I have to make a choice of what is best for me.

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  • Rachel
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    That sounds smart, at this point you need to do what’s best for you.
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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    I have applied multiple suggestions in this thread and a few others: I will list them along with each response. Hope this helps.

    1.)Per advice mentioned in this forum, I suggested closing his personal bank account and move his finances to the joint account so I could keep an eye on his spending and help him budget. He responded, " I will keep my account but put you on it as an authorized user." - Unsuccessful, because No actions have been made moving towards placing me on his account.

    2.) I have asked him why did we get married? His response, because I love you.

    3.) I have suggested financial, individual, and marriage counseling. He has agreed to go to counseling and we decided it would benefit him more to do individual at this point. I have provided the insurance info, clinic info, and all phone #'s. He has not yet scheduled an appointment.

    4.) We discussed why he lied to me about a savings account...His response was he used everything he had in savings to help me pay for the wedding. Which then prompted they why didn't we postpone the wedding, 4 months in advance like I wanted to, because of financial reasons? He didn't really have an answer in regards to postponing


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  • Michael
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    From his responses, it appears he’s not quite clear on the structure of marriage and the responsibilities required for each person’s role. For instance, his response to Q3) about being individually counseled, is simply the wrong answer. This once WAS an individual problem, but now that you two are actually married, it’s no longer an individual problem because it is now affecting you, his wife and your way of life, in an adversely negative way. Also, that same response indicates that this issue is not as urgently important to him as it is to you because he has yet to use the tools given to him to schedule the counseling. Additionally, since his problem has become your problem when you all married, the counseling should involve you both. The individual approach leads to distrust, deceit and lack of properly dealing with the truth of the issue.

    His immediate response to Q4) doesn’t appear truthful either. If he earns twice as much as you and knew you were marrying, he could have given you charge of the money then to prepare for things. Once again, that sense of importance seems to not be surfacing correctly.

    The lack of an answer to postponing the marriage further discredits his initial response of using savings for the wedding.

    Solution to these two questions: have him show his wife through actions that he is willing to do what is necessary to overcome this issue and to simply help strengthen the marriage and not weaken its bond.

    Love is an ACTION word. If you love someone, you will do something showing that person you love them.
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    The reason we have decided on individual counseling ,instead of marriage counseling starting off, is because my counselor suggested doing individual sessions with another counselor. She seems to think that if we do marriage counseling, this will simply be an act on his part to try to satisfy me instead of working on the actually issues in the marriage and viewing ourselves as a team. This will also give him insight as to what issues he has going on with his finances and why he is so reluctant to let me help.

    It's becoming more evident that we are not on the same page as to what is important/urgent, and I wish I had noticed more of this during wedding planning. However, as they say, too little too late.

    I have tried to explain that ACTIONS speak louder than words. In fact this is the exact same reason I called off our engagement in the first place. He keeps saying that he's capable of this and that, so I have given him all the proper tools to put those words into action, but he has yet to do so.

    What do you do, as a wife, when your husband doesn't want to show through actions that he is willing to do what's necessary to work on the marriage?


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  • Michael
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    That depends on the wife and what she is willing to tolerate and what her limits are. For better or worse means just that but it’s with the understanding that those “worse” situations will be temporary and improve. Those worse situations come to test our mettle and resolve, but only work when the marriage is unified. With the finances, you two are clearly divided and are not unified.

    Your counselor’s argument is sensible, but I disagree with it. Males learn best through exposure and revelation of issues. If we are never truly confronted on our issues and shown how our issues affect others, especially the one we say we love, we will never truly have that “light bulb” moment where we make the necessary improvement.

    If he loves you (as defined by supporting actions) and you are supposed to be a reflection of him, why is he okay with seeing you hurt and suffering from his actions or inactions? Does he physically hurt himself continuously because of being unaware of his actions? If not, why continue to do the same to you who is supposed to be one with him?

    Would it be okay if you hurt him in a way he would feel like you’re feeling? No, it wouldn’t. We (males) think differently and sometimes simpler than females and we just don’t get it. So, approaches geared towards your husband’s mentality needs to be used to help him truly realize his issues and how to correct them. Are there any males you two know that can perhaps spend time with him to see how he thinks and help reveal the root causes of his issues?

    you mentioned in a previous post your mutual couple friends aren’t going through nor have ever dealt with this before, but do they know anyone who has? I’m really optimistic about this because your husband sounds like he’s worth fighting for, so it helps if every positive option is considered.
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    This sounds like my relationship with an ex of mine. Eventually I realized I was just a free meal ticket & a F78k-buddy for him. I hope you can work this out better than me & the ex. I might try couples counseling or seeing a financial consultant. I would encourage you to have a heart-to-heart conversation with your spouse & explain that as you're taking the majority on the financial responsibility in the relationship & you're still the one who's giving HIM lunch $$, it doesn't add up. Ask what he's doing with the $$. Does he have an addition that he needs help with? Is he giving $$ to 'friends in need?' Find the source all his $$ is going to. I hope you can work this out with him.

    M Hill


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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    I understand that all marriages go through "rough patches" and "hard times" but I also believe that you are supposed to work together to make things better as a team. Right now, we aren't on a team more like the exact opposite. He wants to do what he wants to do and I want us to be on the same page or at least close to it.

    The reason for individual counseling :He has a pattern of changing for a temporary point of time then falling back into the same old habits. This is why we are going to try individual counseling first. Basically he needs to go into counseling, especially marriage counseling with an open mind, and he's very closed minded about counselors in general. Also this will be a time for him to express himself and what he hopes to gain in marriage counseling. It simply a couple individual sessions for the therapists to work on a plan to address the issues in our marriage to hopefully get us back on track before it's too late.

    I have given him a road map essentially as to all the issues which we face. I wish we did have someone who could talk to him and get to the root causes of issues, but there's no one. I use to be the only friend, from 12 years old, he could talk to about relationship issues and ever since we got together that communication has stopped.

    I have asked for advice from everyone I can think of. No one has ever dealt with this issue nor has any advice on how to make this any better. I've considered all positive options, but every time I think he's committed to doing something (ACTIONS) he proves me wrong in every way. I can't bring myself to make an appointment for him to see a therapist, because I am only enabling his childish behavior which I want him to change.


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  • Michael
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    Your plan sounds promising indeed, so that should be a good start. You’re right in recognizing that there is a pattern, which over time he has become unaware of the pattern’s behavior. Based on his history of patterns, the question must be asked has he ever made any internal changes to correct anything in his life? It sounds like he hasn’t and has only applied efforts to change external variables, which from my experience, provides an option of ignoring the real issue and shifting the blame towards anything other than himself.

    The openness of you being able to talk about anything with each other should not have changed once you got married, but should have gotten better because of it. If you were a friend then, what changed in his mind to not consider you a friend now?

    Teamwork makes the dream work is not just a catchy cliché, it’s factual. What is his idea of marriage? What does he expect from this marriage? What are his expectations for him as a husband and from you as a wife? How does he he see you and himself currently in this marriage? Why does he love you? Hint: if he names specific things that are superficial or tangible or based on you giving without equally receiving , he hasn’t really given that question proper thought. What goals does he have for this marriage? How does he rationalize what’s best for him or for the marriage? Is he a person who is willing to make the hard decisions if necessary? Is he struggling with issues of inadequacy when compared to you, causing him to “rebel” or “fight” against the goals and plans? You can also follow up these questions with the “why does he do, expect or want those things” as well.

    You know him the best, besides his parents, and with knowing him as a person and seeing him grow over the years, has he shown the ability to do what it takes to make things as best as they could be or does he exert just enough energy to adapt for his own benefit?
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  • Gabby
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    Stick with Dave Ramsey. I know there are financial advisors out there and I actually work for them Smiley tongue but if you are already on the Dave Ramsey track, many of the financial advisors will conflict with what you are already trying to put into practice. The Dave Ramsey track will also help someone who lacks discipline financially, such as your husband. Give uncle Dave a call on his show! and he will give you an idea on how to approach your husband. I think the problem you are dealing with is just a big symptom of something else that is being overlooked (he could be dealing with something or your relationship could be dealing with something). It's never just a money problem hence why I don't think a financial advisor can really help you in your situation. And no, this is not an ad for Dave Ramsey. Just someone who appreciates values-based advice from someone who has the fruit on the tree.

    I'm sorry you're dealing with this right now. But contrary to popular opinion, do not think of waving the white flag just because of a situation. Relationships always trump situations (unless it is a matter of life and death). And more separation, like different bank accounts will only lead to more separation. Sounds like a basic calculation, right? Hang in there!

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  • OldSchoolKindaLove
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    There is a bigger problem, and it's trust. I can't trust him with finances. Hence the separation of money into separate accounts and only having a joint account for bills.

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    Yes, you hit the nail on the head in your first paragraph. He hasn't done anything to change internally. Instead he has relied on being able to talk a good game, do just enough to show he is capable of doing something, and when all else fails be blames it on his job/work/etc.

    I don't know what has happened to our friendship. He has a friend that he talks to on a daily basis, so perhaps I've just been replaced? I can't say for sure. I know they talk on a daily basis, but I am not about to put his friend in the middle of things going on in our relationship. That's not something I am comfortable with.

    I will try to ask those questions this weekend and see what the responses are now, because prior to marriage we had a plan, but now that's all proven to be simply talk, no action.

    The sad reality is, I don't know him best. I only know what he chose to show me, which I am starting to realize isn't who he is or wants to be. Also, I truly believe he only adapts for his own benefits looking back. He is very focused on his wants more so than needs.

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