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CourtneyBrittain
Master August 2019

To tell or not to tell

CourtneyBrittain, on May 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM

Posted in Etiquette and Advice 52

I have a friend who I will call Holly. Holly has been a friend for a long time but I recently found out Holly is dating her boss, who I will call Tim. Tim is married and has children, all which Holly knew before starting to date this man. Holly and Tim have been a secret couple for over 10 months...
I have a friend who I will call Holly. Holly has been a friend for a long time but I recently found out Holly is dating her boss, who I will call Tim. Tim is married and has children, all which Holly knew before starting to date this man. Holly and Tim have been a secret couple for over 10 months apparently.
Before I found this out I was planning on inviting Holly to the wedding because she is a good friend. Now, however, I don’t want her there because she obviously does not uphold or care about the sanctity of marriage being between two people.
I know that she is expecting to be invited, she literally just texted me saying she is so excited and she’s going to cry happy tears. So do I tell her why I’m not inviting her? Do I just not give her an invite and hope she doesn’t get too hurt? What’s your advice?

*names have been changed for privacy

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  • T
    Expert May 2010
    Theresa ·
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    Tim is Holly's boss. Are you sure she has a choice? Maybe she has on her game face.

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  • Tara
    Master May 2020
    Tara ·
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    ***Oops you said Tim’s family. Were you referencing to his wife and kids or his parents/cousins?
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  • Meghan
    Master October 2019
    Meghan ·
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    Wow! I honestly don't even know how to respond to that. I wouldn't want to invite someone like that to my wedding either.

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  • CourtneyBrittain
    Master August 2019
    CourtneyBrittain ·
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    Thank you!
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  • D
    Dedicated October 2018
    Deb ·
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    A few years ago I had a close friend who started dating a married man. She knew that I disagreed with what she was doing and that it was wrong. I didn’t drop her as a friend because she still had many of the qualities that caused us to be friends. Her actions were a really big error in judgement that could cause a lot of hurt to others. After a few months she broke it off. She stills feels guilty about her actions.

    You need to do what you are comfortable with. I just wanted to share the experience I had. Good luck.

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  • CourtneyBrittain
    Master August 2019
    CourtneyBrittain ·
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    I was referring to his wife and kids, who believe Holly is just a coworker. The wife and kids have come to visit Tim at work sometimes hence how they met Holly.
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  • Formerbride
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    Formerbride ·
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    Be honest. I had a friend who apparently had been cheating on her husband for 3 years. I said "so long". It wasn't just that situation that led to the friendship dissolving. I honestly just didn't have a place for her drama in my life. Everyone has flaws but you don't have to include people in your life if their values don't align with yours. I mean maybe that's harsh but everyone has their lines and that is perfectly okay.
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  • CourtneyBrittain
    Master August 2019
    CourtneyBrittain ·
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    I’m sure she has a choice. Holly’s parents also work in the company but much higher up. If she wanted to do something to get ahead she could just go to her parents instead of going through Tim.
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    Theresa ·
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    I was thinking more about Tim threatening her job, but in that case she could still go to her parents about it and get Tim fired. So, yeah, she must have a choice.

    Out of curiosity, do you think she would want to bring Tim to the wedding as her Plus 1? Because that would be definitely No from me, and a reason not to invite her. Although, I'd be hesitant anyway.

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    Mary ·
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    You can not have her at the wedding for whatever reason you want. But things like "right" or "wrong" are subjective. There is no definitive answer to these ideas. I don't care what people do in their personal life as long as it doesn't affect me. We all do something that others don't agree with. Far be it from me to judge. I stand by my point that the only person that had an obligation to the marriage was Tim.
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  • CourtneyBrittain
    Master August 2019
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    Well she’s not super close with her parents but either way he’s not threatening her job.

    No definitely not. I’m one of the only people that know Holly and Tim are dating, I’m sure she wouldn’t want pictures of the two of them leaking nor would he.
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  • Mandy
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    Mandy ·
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    If you choose to invite her, let her know that she's invited but she's not allowed a plus one. She'll bring him otherwise and it will upset you probably. If she asks for a plus one, allow it, but explain that you would rather she not bring Tim because you want it to be about celebrating marriage and while you're not one to judge her, you don't approve of her bringing a married man to your wedding as a date. It's frowned upon to say who they can/can't bring as a plus one, but it's also a know your friends/crowd situation. What happens if pictures are taken at your wedding and the wife finds out Tim went as Holly's date? Awkward. Hah.

    If you choose not to invite her, don't send her an invite. If she asks why, you could explain that you love her, but don't like her current choice right now and you'd prefer to celebrate marriage and not infidelity. I've had a few people want to be invited, but I just never really acknowledged them asking me for an invite. I didn't send them one. At this point, I'm 11 days out and I think they're well aware they weren't invited. I don't have to give them a reason why.

    I had a friend who was cheating on her husband (also my friend). I swore to her I would keep my mouth shut if she came clean and stopped the affair. She did. I wouldn't not invite her to something because at the end of the day she's my friend, but I don't agree with a lot of her decisions. I wouldn't go somewhere that her and the affair guy were though - nor would I have invited him to anything.

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    I think it's none of your business what she's doing with Tim. Tim may have an open marriage, he may be in the midst of a divorce, may just be a scumbag, you have no way to know that so I would hold off on the judgement. Plenty of people have "non-traditional" marriages. Also, Holly is not the one breaking marriage vows and has no obligation to "uphold" them, Tim is. Personally I think you're being super judgy and that's not a good reason to not invite your good friend to your wedding. Also, if Holly didnt' tell you this directly, it's all heresay and possibly gossip. I would invite her - although you certainly don't have to give her a plus one.

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  • CourtneyBrittain
    Master August 2019
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    I get where you’re coming from but she has told me it’s not an open marriage and that they are not in the midst of a divorce. While I understand that Tim is the one ultimately breaking his marriage vows, in my eyes Holly is wrong as well for knowingly dating a married man. It’d be one thing if she started dating him then found out or something like that but she’s known from the start. I’ve tried to talk her out of this relationship multiple times.
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    Ok fine. But it's still not your place to "talk her out of this". It's ok to be disappointed in your friends choices, but ultimately it's not your business and has absolutely nothing to do with you or your marriage. At all.

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    If she is a good friend then she deserves a face to face full blown explanation of why she is not welcome to your wedding....even though she is happy for you and supportive.

    I'm not sure how her relationship with Tim has anything to do with your marriage? She's in baaaaad relationship limbo and honey no matter the outcome, it will cost her. Could be her job, loss of respect from her parents, Tim dumps her...etc.
    If you aren't happy with the Tim situation and pull the invite it seems me you are punishing your friend. If it is about respect of marriage then you wouldn't send invitations to anyone who has had a divorce either?
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  • Karma
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    My first husband wanted to invite another woman into our marriage, to which I, of course, said hell to the no and I started to divorce him. He still proceeded to start swinging with other married couples and singles, which he kept secret until after our divorce. In fact, he got the one couple to divorce, he married the woman and her ex now swings with them as the third person. (Totally sick and twisted and it rots in my brain from time to time.)

    Anyways, both your friend and her 'piece of tail' are in the wrong. They are both sick individuals. It is completely not fair to his wife and kids and I hope your friend comes to her senses. They both know he will never leave his wife, unless she finds out, as he doesn't want to pay spousal and child support. Keeping up their sick secret is much cheaper.

    It really isn't your business what she does and who she would invite to your wedding. Now since she shared with you that she is a hoochie... that's up to you whether you invite her to your wedding or not. It might end your friendship. (I personally wouldn't associate with a person like that.) Now, if you do invite her to your wedding with a plus one, she might invite that guy, but you really don't have a say in that. If you want her to be at your wedding at all, invite without a plus one.

    I really hope for the sake of his poor wife and kids, your friend will have some class and stop sleeping with a married man. Can't she find a single available guy?


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  • Tara
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    People cheat. It happens. The other poster was correct in that you are probably surrounded by it more than you know. People usually do not come out and say it. It totally sucks for all parties involved, but there is usually a deep-rooted reason for it and it usually will end up with a lot of people getting hurt. Yeah, he most likely will not leave his wife and family, but I think you should cut your friend some slack too. She knows right from wrong, but her heart is clouded. She literally can not see it.


    I had a friend who caught her fiance cheating and she broke up with him, but kept going back to him. All of her other friends called her stupid, but I was there to support her. Was she stupid? Definitely. However, I learned that someone telling her was not going to do anything so I figured I would be the one person to hear her out and not say anything about how wrong she was. She needed to fall on her face and go through those motions. It would be the only way she would "listen" and I would be there for when she fell.


    I am not trying to stick up for her or say that she is correct in any of this! She is totally wrong, but I do think that she is in a place where she is lonely and he gave her attention and it is a whirlwind right now. Everyone wants that feeling that someone needs you and she thinks she is feeling that right now instead of seeing it is all lies.


    Instead of judging how she respects the idea of marriage, be a good friend if you valued the friendship before this. If not, then cut your losses. I would still invite her (people make stupid decisions all the time) and just let her know that since you do not approve of her relationship, he is not invited. At the end of the day, when the relationship goes up in flames, it will not affect you at all (unless it happens at your wedding)!

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  • Martelle
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    Personally, I think you should talk to her. In my opinion, the people you invite to your wedding are the people who should help you keep to your vows, they are witnesses for a reason. That's what friends are for, to keep you in check when you may do something stupid, and to be honest with each other when we all do something stupid. But me personally, I would not invite her to my wedding due to those reasons, and she should respect you for that. If not, in my opinion as well, the friendship is not meant to keep. She can do whatever she wants and you have to deal with knowing about it....she should hold herself to the same standard.

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  • Paula
    Super September 2019
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    I would be honest with her and explain your reason for not inviting her.

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