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Danielle
Master June 2019

The Surrendered Wife

Danielle, on August 15, 2019 at 9:05 AM

Posted in Married Life 92

Okay ladies, so I started reading a book. I am about half way through it, and honestly....I think it's great and provides some much needed perspective. BUT I also know it can be quite controversial in this day and age. However, you'd have to read it for yourself to see just how it explains...

Okay ladies, so I started reading a book. I am about half way through it, and honestly....I think it's great and provides some much needed perspective. BUT I also know it can be quite controversial in this day and age. However, you'd have to read it for yourself to see just how it explains everything. The title of the book isn't as "anti-feminism" as you might think. It's pretty empowering actually, but in a vulnerable way.

Backstory: I was raised by a very strong single independent woman. I did not have a good male role model in my life, and I definitely didn't have a great example of marriage to learn from. As a result, I have been conditioned to always have control. And I mean control everything: finances, schedules, work, house duties, etc. EVERYTHING! As a result, I am easily annoyed & get frustrated when things aren't up to MY standards. And that has turned me into a sort of nag and always having a negative response to things, even when I don't realize I am doing it. In short, my brain only sees what isn't being done, versus being grateful for what is being done. As a result of being such a strong independent woman, that doesn't need anyone to take care of me, I have given up the one thing that my marriage truly needs: intimacy. Well, in order to be intimate, you have to be vulnerable, trusting, and grateful. That sure is scary for someone that always needs to be in control!

What this book has taught me so far is that in order to gain the intimate / romantic marriage I desire, I have to give up control. Talk about total brain re-wire! Because it has always been in bedded into my brain to be strong and independent and never put myself in a vulnerable situation. Anywho, another result of this need of control, is I am BURNT OUT. By having to constantly be in control, I am lacking self care and taking on too much. I am also subconsciously telling my husband that I do not trust and respect him.

So, I just wanted to share this with all you married (or soon to be married) women out there, in case it could help someone else out. In the way that it has shown me some perspective into my own faults, lack of self care, constant need to control (whether consciously or subconsciously) , and what I can control vs what I cannot control.

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  • Danielle
    Master June 2019
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    OMG....I'm going to refrain from debating, because there are people that argue to learn and there are people that argue to be heard. Clearly you don't care to learn. This book is for the "average woman" as you put it, and not for the rest. If that is what needs to be said to simplify it. I noticed a toxic behavior within myself, and wanted to gain perspective. So I read this book, because it looked interesting to me, and I actually found it helpful. You are correct that not everyone things & feels the same. Therefore, if this is not an idea or something relate able to you...then don't read it!

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  • Danielle
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    THANK YOU!!! Geeze.....and to answer your question, YES I do think that they would attack her for it, since it is not how they think. If you don't want to read the book, then don't read the book!

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  • Danielle
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    Yes! That is a much better example. Thank you, lol.

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  • Danielle
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    It's not wrong just because YOU believe it to be wrong. "Every one is allowed to have different thoughts, unless they disagree with mine, then they are wrong!" I never said every man and every woman in the entire world thinks or feels one way based off of their gender. I simply said that there are individual strengths and weaknesses that come from your gender.....SOME not ALL.

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  • Danielle
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    That is how you think, and I don't agree.

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  • Kelly
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    I haven’t read the book & don’t know if I will but I think that I understand where you are coming from on the control issue. I can be pretty controlling.
    My example will be ice cream. Usually we food shop together, but I select the household items & he select his food items.
    So say he decides to pick up ice cream for us as a treat. He comes home, the ice cream flavor that he selected isn’t my favorite, but I like it enough
    Instead of saying oh that’s not my favorite, I try to remember to say, awe, thanks for thinking of us. We enjoy ice cream that night. Another day of two I bring up that my favorite ice cream is so & so, and then the next time FH grabs a treat he remembers that my favorite ice cream is & picks that up.
    I do feel like you are being attack, it was simply a recommendation, if it’s not for you - then you don’t have to buy the book.
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  • Mrsbdg
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    Wait, what?

    Well, my “gender” beliefs are...wow, okay.

    There is absolutely a need to nitpick someone attempting to give advice on a subject they are sorely lacking evidence (not you, the author). The whole process of developing a theory is having others nitpick its weakness so it evolves into something stronger. If a nitpick causes the whole theory to fall flat that’s a philosophical or scientific problem, not a critic’s problem.

    Honestly, if you need a book on communication and toxic behaviors find someone with actual experience and education (licensed family therapist, psychologist, sociologist, or hell, even an anthropologist). I truly hope you can look through some of the books I mentioned which are written by professionals. If being a subservient partner gives you deep genuine joy and fulfillment who are we to judge. That’s like the core of a BDSM relationship which is neither shameful nor unhealthy as long as its SSC. Please, though, think about what you deeply genuinely want in your heart before you go changing yourself.

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  • Mrsbdg
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    How I think? That is what is supported by science.

    If you you want to debate facts come with facts. If you want to debate feelings...I mean all feelings are valid so 🤷🏽‍♀️
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  • Danielle
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    Thanks and that is okay. Not a single opinion on this thread affects me in anyway. I am bored, and that is the only reason why I am even responding to half of them. It's a book that I liked, If it looks like something someone might be interested in, GREAT, glad I could share it...if it doesn't look like something someone would be interested in, okay, that is cool too, don't read it.

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  • Danielle
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    Lol, now I'm picturing you carrying him over the threshold. Smiley xd

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  • Danielle
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    Yes, and thank you. And don't worry, no one's comments on here are affecting me in anyway. Either they can read it or not. It's helped me. It has some good points in it and it has some not so sure points.

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  • C
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    OmG, everyone......chill out!!!!! If you don’t want to read it, don’t, but please take your anger somewhere else. OP didn’t ask for, nor deserve, the pounds of implied judgment you’re hurling at her.

    Thank you, Danielle, for the book recommendation. I have not read it and am not familiar with this author, but am familiar with the general concept. That men and women are wired differently is not new....John Gray wrote about it 30 years ago in Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus and the whole world applauded. It was a good reminder then about how, as the world changes and women evolve and improve and choose independence (all great things!), that we shouldn’t forget how people, in general, are wired and how differently we perceive things.

    I hope that as we’ve evolved and improved, we haven’t gotten so inflexible and literal so as to throw out an entire concept because every bit of it doesn’t apply to a particular situation. ‘Mars’, and I’m guessing this book (again, haven’t read it, don’t know it) are intended to offer a different perspective than what we’ve gotten used to in our day to day lives. I am an incredibly independent and a professional woman. My new husband LOVES that about me and encourages it in every way. But years ago, I learned to apply some of these concepts to my relationships (they work just as well in business and family and friendships) and I can unequivocally say that my marriage is the happiest I could possibly imagine! And this is coming from someone who was perfectly content being single for the 7 years before we met. Again, you have to be able to recognize what this is saying in the abstract and apply whatever pieces of it fit YOUR life....maybe not everyone has that skill. Professionally, I negotiate multi million dollar deals and I have to say, it’s helped there too, to an extent.

    So thank you , Danielle, for your opinions. Although I’m not endorsing this particular book since I haven’t read it, I do appreciate your attempts to share what works for you in the hopes it might work for someone else. There used to be a time when that was what this forum was about.
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  • Danielle
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    THANK YOU so much for your comment!!! And PLEASE say it louder for the people in the back! I could not agree with everything you said more. That is all I was trying to share, and I am glad there are some people out there that can understand that. Smiley heart

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  • Nemo
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    Yes! Love everything you posted (including your most recent comments). (Good) Science/research doesn't lie. Did we just become WW best friends?! Smiley sexy

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  • Mrsbdg
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    Yep!!

    Do you wanna do Karate in the garage?

    (Truly hope you were quoting Stepbrothers otherwise this won’t make sense 😝)


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  • Nemo
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    I was and I'm so glad you picked up on it Smiley xd We need a meme button on WW.

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  • K
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    I read a similar book, that helped me out SOOO much. It gave me insight into how men in relationships actually think and feel in life and marriage situations. Its called For Women Only by Shaunti Feldhahn. When I first started reading it I wasn't going into with a very open mind. I am also in control everything in our lives, it is exhausting. But one day me and FH had a fight and the next day he came to me apologized and gave his though on the whole situation. I felt like he took long enough to talk about it lol but then I read a chapter in this book and it was like a light blub turned on and it explained exactly why it took him so long to apologizes and explain his side. Great book!

    I am going to give the one you listed a try because knowledge is everything and anything to help me understand him and his thought process more I am all about reading Smiley smile

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    Interesting thread. Intersesting author too in the sense that (in a nutshell) you're responsible for being emotionally or verbally abused and you can stop it. All you have to do is apologize to the offender for whatever you did they deemed was disrespectful.
    Her list of examples included:
    Rolling your eyes
    Saying they shouldn't have a sugary drink
    Criticize a plan to invest in real estate

    Thank you anyway for the book recommendation. I do not mean it sarcastically.
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  • Danielle
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    That is awesome, I will have to read that book too. Smiley shame

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    So.....just to make sure I understand you correctly, are you saying that it’s perfectly acceptable and not at all abusive to constantly roll your eyes at your spouse while criticizing his/her weight (since, let’s be honest, that’s what you really mean when you comment on the sugary drink) and financial choices? And over time, that will have no negative consequences?

    I think it’s interesting how everyone is so quick to scream “emotional abuse” these days without ever recognizing it in their own behavior or recognizing the impact their behavior might have on someone else. But I think we’ve become so self-absorbed we’ve just totally forgotten how to how to see anything from anyone else’s perspective. Maybe someone ought to just write a book on how to be nice. For everyone.
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