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Judith, on April 23, 2020 at 10:10 PM

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I have a friend of 19 years who asked me to be her MOH, and though the timing is bad ( even discounting Covid) and money is tight, I really wanted to. Felt terrible trying to say no. She has had a couple of marriages that never happened, and at the time of our wedding, she said no to me because she...
I have a friend of 19 years who asked me to be her MOH, and though the timing is bad ( even discounting Covid) and money is tight, I really wanted to. Felt terrible trying to say no. She has had a couple of marriages that never happened, and at the time of our wedding, she said no to me because she was pregnant and our day was her due date. Now at 37 a first wedding, after years of wishing and hoping, she is doing it all. And an only daughter, her parents are putting a lot into it. After years of having to drive a couple hours to see each other, she moved near us for a job, and is marrying someone I work with and fixed her up with. I finally said, I will do the shower, with help of a friend. No problem. And take care of my own HMU, no problem. But the dress would have to be $200 or less. Added to a shower, and a large gift we are making them, a moveable wet bar with cabinetry, fridge, that is it. And told her, 2 of our kids need some reconstructive surgery, and because elective, it means a large Co pay. She understood. She said. And another mutual friend 4 hours away in Boston, and 3 of her relatives, are the WP. That friend, like me, has kids needing things. I found later she had said, I will do your bachelorette if you would like us all to go to her family's lake front summer home, wonderful. But if she absorbs that cost, all food and party stuff for 3 days, $200 max for the dress.

Well, she found a dress she just hand to have, I looked at hundreds, this one, only this one. Perfect color style echoes her gown. $450.
MOH lavender grey, BM coral. Sent a note if n mailbox, please, please look. Please the only thing I want, messages, emails phone messages, 6 in 2 days I was away. So when home , getting messages, saw one from my friend the BM. Email starts, do you believe this gal? And opened it to read her saying, didn't you tell me you got the lavender gray of the Madelyn Gardner dress I got in Coral, you were in a relative's wedding, and I was in my sister's in Wyoming? Bride wants that dress, and we both have it. Tell me you did not sell yours. Yup, a dress I paid $375 for, she had paid $425 for the previous year. So we both tell bride terrific. We will wear and get shoes dyed to match, No problem, but no other big expenses. She is happy happy. That was December, wedding next September. So last week someone said something. Don't know who my sister told, who told bride. And she is throwing 9 kinds of hissy fits. We all have to get new dresses. She has picked out different ones. Because we are spoiling her wedding. What kind of friend wears a used dress? Not in my wedding. I want everything new, never worn. I wore the dress once in Montreal, My mom borrowed it for a wedding on short notice ( saw she was wearing the same dress her sister MOB was.) In NYC. Kari wore hers 1 time in Wyoming. Both in perfect condition. I think my friend is being a spoiled brat. The shop her sisters and cousin used in Jan would only not charge for a change if more expensive, so new dresses, same line, will be $500. I think we hit the breaking point. She has this thing now, that since she had to wait all these years while we got married got homes and families, we don't have any respect now that it is her turn. When did my friend go off the deep end? How can she not understand, there is not now, and never has there been, a law saying no dress can be worn more than once. We have the ones she wanted, most perfect yada yada. Now a complete flip. To a more expensive, trendy style neither of us would wear again. Unlike the one we each have. Are virgin dresses a thing. I do not want to rupture a friendship. But I have done showers or other parties for 35-40 for full dinner plus, because some of her friends and family are driving a couple of hours, and need a meal. And her preferences for sirloin tips or Seafood Newburgh are great, easy, but pricey. I still want to do the shower. But can I put my foot down and say No, this dress you asked for, that we have, or Kari and I will continue, me doing shower, her doing bachelorette, each paying the whole bill for our party. But dropping out of WP? I cannot justify another $500, when I have what she swore was the perfect thing, because she is being a baby over my having worn it before. I hate to do it. I am not treating her, or thinking of her as not worth a new dress, because she is not important, nor is Kari. But !!!! And I have had to cut back work hours with 3 kids not in school or 2 in half day preschool. Hubby is going to work, by himself there but needs equipment. Their surgeries are put off for now, but we have the bills coming.

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    Tiger Bride ·
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    There's a lot going on here and I want to make it clear I don't think you're cheaping out on her, with the dress or otherwise. I wouldn't have paid $400 for a BM dress for anyone's wedding; my girls are wearing dresses from Azazie ($90-$130) and I told them about a couple of places like Poshmark to find used ones, which one of them so far has. I don't think you are cheaping out on the dress, I was just trying to see if I could figure out from her side why she might feel that way.


    As for your update, I have to ask, why are you and Kari paying for a shower/bach this extravagant? Is it common in your social circle? I mean I grew up in the Northeast and I've never been to a shower that had steak and lobster. I'm pretty sure the food at my cousins' showers was tuna salad sandwiches! I am NOT saying this is your fault AT ALL and I do think she should be grateful for what you're doing but I think you should have/need to put your foot down a bit. While I do think BMs should offer to throw some pre-wedding event, what you have planned is way above and beyond normal expectations and I think you need to communicate that to the bride. Point blank frame it as "we need to have a talk about the budget, here is what I can do".

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    I guess what I don't understand is that you're saying it's hard to/you don't want to get a babysitter for $20 an hour for an extra 4 hours on the day of the wedding, but you are throwing a $700 shower? You gave her a budget of $200 for the dress, but then put $145 toward getting shoes dyed? There seem to be mixed signals here. If your money is tight then you probably shouldn't be throwing a $700 shower. Like your friend is being ungrateful and asking way too much, but I don't understand your logic when it comes to what you can afford and what you can't. Maybe she is confused as well?

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    I guess because the is a close friend of such long standing, I decided to do a certain amount. And when she asked for something more expensive to eat, the total I might have spent for a dress went down to $200 from possibly $400-500 to include dress and accessories, and now the shower will be my shower gift, where if she wanted 10 fewer people and less expensive food, I would have bought a shower gift too . And hubby has become close friends with the groom, so we we had planned a major wedding gift, but Hubby thought of making something of materials we have except one $100 thing, the fridge. Where we would ordinarily give 2 such good friends a big, more like family size gift. So, more expensive on the shower, less for dress, no shower gift, labor not money for making the cabinetry and bar for wet bar. Maybe looks like a mixed message, lots available money / no money. But we budgeted for an overall total. Spend more on one thing, and reduce on another. And can only spend that much, because no travel past 2 gal gas for wedding, or shower, or Bach, and no lodgings at all for anything. And hubby has 2 tuxes. Everyone budgets differently, but trade-offs for different items with a total we try to stick to, works for us better than sticking to each item budget to the dollar.
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    Stick to your guns. She needs to understand that the whole bridezilla thing is not ok. Your family has to come first and, if she cannot respect that, were you still really friends or was this a friendship you outgrew but are holding on to? I know that's a hard question from a stranger, but I had to come to a similar realization recently. 💜 you can't turn your real world upside down.
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    In your shoes, I would 100% decline to participate in this wedding. Your friend is being completely unreasonable. You set some good boundaries to start, and she won't accept them.

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    Real friend. Since college, I'm 38, twice we did not see each other for 2-3 years, thousands of miles apart . But other than that got together 5-6 times a year at least. Since she fell in love with someone I work with, I introduced them when she and daughter we're visiting for a week, she is less than half hour away. We probably got together 20 times in the last year, including when she and her FI ( who I work with sometimes) have come to cookouts or dinner parties, or we have gone to theirs. But lots just her and I. And she has always been spoiled in the little ways I think most only children are spoiled. When her mom and stepfather married, his much younger kids came for visits. But she had daddy visits, and came to be attached to stepsisters. But was doted on. This is her mom's only wedding to be involved in. Step S their mother was active. So I think this wedding has gotten lots of finally, at last, it is your turn . I come from a a big family. No diva behavior at home. I had no problem with the fact that when we married, 2 of my sibs, 2 local 1st cousins and a second cousin all married April to October, and multiple friends. Rare is the only child who would not have trouble with that, I think. So we are different. And are used to giving each other a leeway, good friends, like good marriage call for not always trying to change the other person to be like you. But this is spoiled rotten, such a princess that no one in her wedding can have anything worn before? Please.
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  • Kerin
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    You're absolutely right. I would talk to her. No one needs to end up resentful, but your own family needs to be your priority and she should be able to grasp that. Maybe that kind of conversation will let her release some pent up stress, too, which may alleviate a lot of what is coming out as "diva" behavior? Good luck, hun. Confronting an issue doesn't have to be an argument. Breathe and talk to her. 💜
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    I'm an only child, and don't accept the "only children are spoiled" excuse. My reaction to a BM telling me they already had the dress I wanted for the wedding would have been "awesome! now you don't have to waste money on a now one!"
    When I got married, I told my MOH to go and pick out a dress in lilac (my color) and to be sure it was something she could wear again. She chose a nice cocktail length dress that was off white with green vines and lilac flowers. She's a teacher, and could wear it again for school.

    Acting like a spoiled brat bridezilla isn't acceptable, only child or not. I'd just tell her Oh, Ok! I Bought A New One! then just wear the one you have. If she asks for a receipt tell her you threw it away.

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    I think this is beyond the usual that I would allow for her too. She often sees things from her own view, but if you point out the other points of view, she sees/ accepts. But this is, to me, a ridiculous and over the top thing. B and G have been away at a family cottage, and we will find out tomorrow after she is able to see our 2 videos. My mood has improved, because a couple of my daughters are over the moon about Mama all dressed up, And my oldest son was excited he made the video with a real video cam set up, not a phone, to film me all dressed up in the dress that yes I have worn once. And bride would be nuts to go away from her original first choice, which we both have, to any other, over something so stupid. IMHO .



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    A couple people picked up on the lobster and sirloin tips. But actually, lasagna and sausages type stuff would only be $2 less per person. The food will be about $9.50 or $10 per person. For about 5 oz of actual meat (plus grilled veggies on a skewer, rice pilaf, salad) or 6 oz of actual lobster meat or scallops, plus Newburgh sauce, corn or veg etc. We live 120 miles west of the Maine docks . In a restaurant lobster is expensive, be ause only 1/5 or 1/6 of the meal cost is food, the rest overhead. And small lobsters have far less meat vs shell. Buying culls, missing a claw, takes a couple dollars a pound off . And 3-6 pound lobsters have twice as much meat per pound of live lobster, than little ones. Living on agricultural land, veges, honey for baklava, hazelnuts for the hazelnut creamer cake frosting, cherries and apples for streudel, cost us nothing. All in all, many people pay more than $10 per person for the meal itself ( Including tip) for a catered shower. I usually set a limit of about 35 including B and any BM when I offer. But it is unusual for us to know both sides of a couple. She is giving me trouble. But her groom I have known 10 yrs through work first, and now a close friend of hubby. First time I will be MOH and he will be a GM in the same wedding. So yeah, going over my usual dollar amount. But my co-hostess who will help with everything, has labor to offer, no money. Single working mother, will have paid her tuition for her last semester of grad school a month before the shower. ( She turned down being a BM.) And I am a softie.
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    The general budget came tumbling down on the bride, the day before she received our video fashion walks wearing the dresses she had to have, then decided against because two of us already had them, and had worn them once each last year. And now that she is in what was I thinking mode, and her mother ( who paid $400 of the $425 for each of the the other 3 dresses, cousin and step sisters will wear) blew her out of the water when told she needed to pony up another $75 per dress, plus evening gloves , since new dress bride chose was sleeveless, plus shoes and purse . Apparently she originally agreed to $200 or less for dresses, and $200 or less in addition for accessories. So bride having ordered $425 dresses, then cancelled them for $500, because 2 of us already had dresses ...
    made MOB nuts. As did bride going $12,000 over the mother's $30,000 she had set to cover specific things. ....... Yup. As soon as I heard the amounts, $12000 being about 40% of $30,000, I guessed what she had done. She forgot to include state tax, administrative fees, and service or gratuities for all serving and bartending staff. exactly what she did. Her mom said she could spend $30,000 on venue, catering, food service ice things like tables and cloths in package, cake, and gave bride limits, suggestions for each area. Telling her, you go up in one, you go down in another , and set out budget categories that added up to $21,000, leaving $9,000 unspent for taxes, ad fee and tips. And bride upped it all and spent $30,000. So now we are not the villains of the wedding anymore. Because Mom cancelled the orders for all 3 expensive dresses, let the 3 others get well under $200 dresses in same colors as Kari. And 2 of us will wear the dresses we have and do not have to buy at all. Having already gotten $147 in shoes and bag to match. So we got a big apology. And bride has to redo a lot of her choices, and is cutting about 50 guests. 10-15 fewer at shower. Somewhere along the line it has registered, that her step sisters and cousin offered nothing. We have been generous. And the 2 most generous were the ones she was giving a hard time. And her mother, too. As a couple they were going to pay for the whole thing, late thirties, a usual thing. And for mom to offer $30K, plus $1200 for max for 3 bridesmaid's dresses and accessories, and bride to go way over!!! So maybe these friendships have a few more years in them.
    Thank you for listening, and for those who suggested we model the dresses and remind her how nice they were.
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    As a friend, whither it drinking glasses or wedding glasses, you at some point gotta tell them we are sobering you up, baby them till they drink some water and sing somethingout of tune to get them to the car! Or in this case destroy the idea of the new dress slowly ei "but those sleeves; what about them; oh nothing they'll be fine in pics I think."=tell them to slow. Then once she hates the new dress show her how the first dress is "trending, fits in the scheme, would make her dress shine so much more " ect. = drink the water." But it is your decision" and in the car. Or take the short route of "you know how long we friends so I'm just gonna tell you i have this much not that much and while I would love to for fill your desire, it's not gonna happen. That one you choose before was beautiful and the fact that I have more to spend towards your gift/rehearsal/ ect. It's not that I dont want to it's that I cant." Is she being ridiculous? Of course, but its sadly normal and no one on any other day will pay so much on such silly trinkets to be used once, only to stress so much about it, then forget about all the details they painstakingly spent hours on 10 years down the road. She got the rose glasses on and you can try to do what you can, give her a shoulder, take her to a massage when stressed, get almost as excited about things she is, check in to see if she needs anything but as a friend you gotta give them a reality check, or you risk the build and animosity of fakeness.
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  • Laura
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    Hiya! I had commented that you guys get all dressed up!!! I'm so glad that worked out and the other things too... I almost feel bad for the bride. She's clearly overwhelmed/in over her head and needs some guidance. I'm glad it all worked out!!!
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    Yes you did, and it was a great suggestion! Though the sudden budget blow up with her mom hit first, I think our sending the fashion walk video and pictures from each of us which apparently arrived just after made it easier to get past the upset, back onto a tone of , see what a great choice they were to begin with. With us. And it turns out the maker ( Madeline Gardner) has exact color match to our lavender grey and peach ( canteloupe) more expensive gowns.) Under $200 BM gowns that the step sisters and cousin will wear, which with accessories will total $350, under mom's $400 for everything. And for the 2 of us, only the $150 we already spent on accessories and shoes, and the gowns we have. What I wanted most, was to remain friends about it. But going all out on the shower meant that I needed to stick to budget elsewhere. And her reason for throwing away $500, because each of us wore a dress once, was too Princess Bridezillas for either of us. A side by product, my husband noticed. I am very active, eat a lot, but lose weight easily if I do not have extra snacks. And have dropped nearly 15 pounds since wearing the dress. It is time to put the weight on. And take the time to settle and eat more. Pay attention to mama time. Nothing like getting out of winter, sweater and jeans and parka stuff, into something bare, in front of a camera, for a reminder.
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