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Futuremrsm
Expert October 2020

Premarital counseling?

Futuremrsm, on October 10, 2019 at 10:14 AM Posted in Family and Relationships 0 26
So I'm not sure how to go about this. FH is very good to me. He is always getting me flowers and doing thoughtful things. He is a great listener to my problems and, for the big picture, he does make me happy.

We moved in together last July and I noticed a lot of bad habits of his. He literally does not clean up after himself. I'm always the one cleaning the house, and always the one to take a look at the bathroom or kitchen and be like "hm this needs to be cleaned, let me do it". I constantly have to ask him to just help around the house. He grew up being raised by his mom and grandparents because he was an only child until he was about 16. So he was spoiled and never did anything for himself.

We work at the same place and have the same schedule. Before we even lived together I saved up and bought my own car, which I proudly paid off with no help from anyone. He then decided after his car broke that it didnt make sense for him to get another one, so I ended up driving everywhere. Even on dates or to his family events. Literally every day I am driving to and from work, and he never offers to give me a break, our commute is about 30-45min each way. Once I get home I am always the one making dinner since he never bothered to learn how to cook. It's getting really exhausting. I feel like I have a teenage son rather than a partner.

With the wedding coming up I am so scared. I feel trapped because we have already paid so much money, and my mom has already purchased my dress and my bridesmaids have purchased theirs.

Aside from what I said above he does have so many amazing qualities, but all of these child like tendencies are making it really hard to see the good. Sometimes I feel like I would be better off alone, and I hate to think that.

I am considering joint counseling. I think going would really get him to realize the severity of my feelings. I feel like I'm almost at my breaking point, but dont want to throw it all away. But I'm getting scared because I feel like I'm at the point where I'm numb and dont care. So my question is, how do I go about looking for a premarital counselor?

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Latest activity by Mson, on October 19, 2019 at 7:47 PM
  • Sabrina
    Devoted April 2020
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    Most churches offer it, if you are part of a church. In Florida, you have the option of going through a pre-marital counseling course which waives the wait time on your license and also reduces the fee for the license (only applicable to residents). Their website also list places that offer pre-marital counseling. Also, some counselors offer that niche.


    I would talk to your FH and say something along the lines that you think it would be a good idea for you both to go through this experience and that you want you both to be fully prepared for this commitment you are making to each other. [And speaking from experience, while it may be challenging, it is an eye opening experience to who you are as a person and your triggers and how your partner is.]


    Good luck.

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  • Samantha
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    It sounds like you have tons of feelings that could benefit from pre marital counseling! Pre marital counseling has general benefits prior to getting married as well. Check with your place of employment and tour benefits as some employers offer 6-8 free counseling sessions with an outside confidential therapist. You can also check Psychologytoday.com to search for providers in your area! You can narrow down who specializes in couples issues and takes your insurance if you want to use insurance but some are cash pay only. If cash you can ask if they offer a reduced sliding scale payment. Hope this helps!
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  • Futuremrsm
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    We are not religious so looking through a church isn't an option. I think that's why I'm having a hard time
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  • Futuremrsm
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    Awesome. Thank you!
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  • Martelle
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    Check out Couplecheckup.com It costs 35.00 dollars, but its on online survey you and your partner separately do. Then you come back together and read the results, it is actually very helpful. It shows where the stress lies in the relationship. My pastor had us do this before we met with him so he had a starting point on things to talk about. It was very interesting and definitely worth doing....

    But you don't need a pastor to discuss the results.

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  • W
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    I think you should be googling regular therapists that do conjoint counseling. Premarital counseling is a very specific term. I (think) premarital counseling focuses on are you guys on the same page about kids, finances, housework, etc. It's more of a quick touch base rather than designed to address the root of a problem.

    That resentment will only build up if you don't address this now. Have you tried having a serious talk with him? Or are you looking into therapy because you are not sure how to communicate your concerns?
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  • MOB So Cal
    January 2019
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    The concerns you've mentioned are NOT small things. As I read your post, before I got to where you said it, I thought, "he sounds like a spoiled teenager...." Unless you want to be both his wife and his MOM, I definitely think the two of you need to have some honest conversations about what you envision for your life and relationship. If he's unaware of how you truly feel, you need to tell him TODAY. And, if he doesn't understand that what you want from him is very different than what he's giving you and/or is unwilling to actively (and quickly) change, then I think you should insist on premarital counseling. If he's unwilling, then I would at least postpone if not call off the wedding. Marriage isn't even just 50-50; it's really 75-75, with both partners doing all they can to build and support their joint life. What you've described sounds more like 90-10. You are not wrong, or unappreciative, or anything else. But, you need to clearly communicate how you feel and what you're going to need and expect, before you move forward with the wedding. It's hard to tell if he's just clueless and immature, or if he's well aware of what he's doing and assumes that's the way things should be. You need to find out! Good luck! Smiley heart

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  • Futuremrsm
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    I've tried. I usually stress my feelings to him, he says that hell do stuff more and try harder, which he does for like a week and then reverts back
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  • Futuremrsm
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    Thank you. I really just think he's immature. When I do talk to him about what I want him to do more and I Express that I'm hurt, he talks to me with genuine concern and wants to fix it. Not sure if this is just manipulation or if he just reverts back to his old ways because he never had to do anything for himself as a kid. This week is his birthday so I'm going to wait until next week to sit down with him and have a serious talk.
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  • MrsJackson
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    Just a thought: When there's dishes in the sink or stuff on the floor, do you ask him for help? Sometimes my husband doesn't really realize it needs to be done, so I'll just ask for help.

    I know it doesn't solve the core problem, but maybe if he's reminded now and again, he'll be more willing to help.

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  • Futuremrsm
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    I do but I've stopped. He will literally walk buy the sink full of dishes or look at his own stuff on the floor and not clean it. I've told him that I shouldn't have to ask him to clean it up. If he sees it, pick it up or clean it
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  • Givemeallthepups
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    If you’ve hired your officiant, he or she might offer it themselves or be able to recommend one to you. We’re doing ours through our officiant and it’s helped even after one session.
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  • MOB So Cal
    January 2019
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    Not anywhere near the extent that you're describing, but daughter and SIL certainly had different expectations regarding chores, etc., early on in their relationship (they started dating when they were 15, and moved in together for the first time toward the end of college, and married when they were 24 and had been living together for three+ years). SIL grew up in a family with very different expectations about home maintenance than daughter did, so getting on the same page was something they really had to work together on. One way they've approached it is, when their schedules permit, they do chores together. Earlier on, daughter had to be very explicit about exactly what SIL needed to do, because, honestly, I don't think he had a clue about doing laundry or cleaning. However, before they got engaged, they had figured things out so that they approach pretty much everything, shopping, laundry, cooking, cleaning, yardwork, financial stuff, etc., as an equal partnership. Now that they're in a house, there are some chores they've divided based on interest/time/talent rather than doing everything together, but it's working for them. I share all that to encourage you, that if in fact he's just clueless/immature, it's quite possible to change things, but it will take honest communication on both your parts. Good luck! Smiley heart

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  • AshleyR
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    Look for therapists through your insurance. You need someone who does couples counseling, not necessarily premarital counseling. There’s a difference, premarital just hits on expectations, future plans, and how to navigate issues when they arise, etc. Couples counseling is for working through deep seated issues like the ones you are describing.

    These are major fundamental concerns that you are experiencing, they are not just small pet peeves. He doesn’t treat you like a partner, hard stop. The fact that talking to him about it has gotten you no where (even if he agrees, words are meaningless without action) then the only next step to salvage your relationship is for you to find a licensed counselor. I would also postpone the wedding until there are major strides towards consistent improvement. You said it yourself you don’t want to live this way and you shouldn’t have to. Potentially losing some deposits is well worth your happiness and sanity.
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  • Futuremrsm
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    Our officiant is his uncle haha
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  • Futuremrsm
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    Yes I know it's not a lost cause. I actually just typed up a chore schedule and I'm going to put it on the fridge for us to see. Hopefully that helps
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  • W-K
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    He totally sounds immature. I'm guessing no one really has taught him to be responsible for himself. Most insurances will give you a list of who you can go through for therapy. Also, if your workplace offers an Employee Assistance Program you could probably get a few free sessions that way.

    Please don't feel trapped in a relationship or impending marriage just because a lot of money was spent. The engagement period is to see if marriage is viable. Once things are signed and sealed, it's a hell of a lot harder to get out of it than disappointing people who have paid for things.

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  • N
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    We are in the exact same space, so you are not alone. My FH is pretty much the same way—he’s just never had to do the things “grown-ups” do. He has a good job and has always worked and his family is wonderful—he just never has been confronted with a lot of these issues and kind of has a “stick your head in the sand” mentality. Meanwhile, I’ve been pretty self-sufficient since college (we’re in our 30’s) so its very hard for me that he hasn’t caught up so to speak.

    Once we started living together its gotten better on the household front as I just got comfortable with telling him—can you do the dishes while I clean the bathroom? Or I’m going to walk the dogs if you vacuum. I really think for some men, it’s just as a pp said—they just don’t see it. But it is also hard to get over having the mental burden of remembering all these things (which I think women are just now starting to really talk about)—so I’m probably still going to have to think of other strategies but i”m hoping over time, doing the dishes just becomes habit for him and he won’t remember what life was like before!

    For us, the financial side has been much more difficult. He’s never had to learn how to save and parents have always stepped in if something happens. They mean well, but certainly have not taught their sons good habits. I’ve had to teach him about credit scores and why its important to have a savings account, etc. I struggle with how to discuss with him without being condescending (I would never tell him he isn’t “adulting” or call him immature to his face as put downs won’t help but it does feel that way sometimes). But convincing him that “other adults” take care of their house, save for down payments and retirement has been a struggle!

    I’m trying to learn how to take it step by step and remembering that I didn’t get all my financial or household habits overnight—they were developed from years of living on my own, etc. So I’m thinking I’m going to try subtly throwing in some podcasts when we’re cleaning or maybe when you’re in the car you can suggest you listen to some self-help/enrichment type books. That way—even if you’re not pushing it on him, there’s still background noise that may help reinforce good habits.

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  • Futuremrsm
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    That's great advice. Thank you!!
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  • Brandi
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    People are amazing and then we move in and see somethings that give us second thought. The good thing is you’ve noticed it and are willing to try and work on this (Marriage Mentality)! First, yes, premarital counseling is a good idea. Typically, churches won’t marry you without it. I would look into that if you have a spiritual belief. If not, you can always find a counselor. The world we live in offers many workbooks that you two can do. A simple Amazon search will help. However, until you both agree that you have a need for marital counseling here’s some suggestions:
    1) Hey babe, lets cook together.
    2) Babe, Im tired this morning. Can you drive?
    3) Babe, let’s set out some time this weekend and clean the house.
    4) Let’s try a new recipe.

    It’s all about shifting it into their love language to understand. Another suggestions:
    1) Don’t Cook.
    2) Don’t clean.
    3) Leave him in the morning, make up fake plans after work.

    trust me, he’ll notice.
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