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Raptor Bride
Master May 2011

Ketubah Question for all you Jewish Brides

Raptor Bride, on April 19, 2011 at 4:18 PM Posted in Planning 0 18

So I got our Ketubah proof today. I seriously almost cried when I read the text, it's amazingly beautiful! FH read it and said maybe we should have four witness lines, instead of two.. Is that typical? Does anyone know how many lines are standard?

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Latest activity by Raptor Bride, on April 19, 2011 at 8:53 PM
  • The Mrs. B
    VIP October 2011
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  • MelKel
    Master May 2010
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    Why does he want 4 witnesses? Who are your original and who does he want to add?

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    Thank you STB Mrs. B. lol, I dont know FH knows WAY less about this stuff than I do. I looked on all the Ketubahs and they had 2 witnesses.. He thought our parents should be signing it.. I said no our friends do (MOH/BM are our sibilings) and he just said oh.

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  • MelKel
    Master May 2010
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    On a "regular" certificate you have whom ever you want sign it as long as they are old enough sign. I'm not sure if it's different for the Jewish faith. We didn't have a bridal party, so his mom signed and so did my dad.
    Most people have their BM and MOH sign, but truly you can pick who ever you want.

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  • Jaemi C. fka Jaemi S. :-)
    Master October 2010
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    I don't know the answer and my computer is acting up maybe it is here.

    http://ketubahgraphia.com/faqs/

    Rabbi Shlomo Chein says only two non blood relatives.

    http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/166,136821/Who-can-should-sign-a-Ketubah.html

    Good luck!

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    OH well shnap. That just gets me out of having our siblings sign it! Now my best friend can play a part in our wedding.

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    I got it now..

    Generally speaking relatives of the bride or groom cannot serve as witnesses. The following relatives of either the bride or groom are disqualified from being witnesses: a father or step-father, grandfather or step-grandfather, great-grandfather, etc., sons and sons-in-law, grandsons and grand-sons-in-law, brothers and brothers-in-law, uncles and great-uncles (through blood or marriage), cousins (through blood or marriage), nephews or great-nephews (through blood or marriage). Additionally, the witnesses may not be related to each other. Because these laws are complex the officiating Rabbi should be notified in advance in order to verify the legitimacy of the witnesses. The same laws apply to the witnesses for the Chupah.

    So my friend can be in it, no one related to us.

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  • MelKel
    Master May 2010
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    Glad that turned out the way you wanted Smiley smile

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    It did Smiley smile i got guilted into having a MOH and BM even though we didnt want them, and they're our siblings - so there was no saying yes to one and no to the other.. Now I can include my best friend Smiley smile it makes me very happy!

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  • Jaemi C. fka Jaemi S. :-)
    Master October 2010
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    I guess what Rabbi Shlomo Chein says goes! Yay for your friend being in it. Didn't you just go thru the whole thing with your FMIL wanting her daughter to be your MOH! Well didn't you and the Ketubah tell your FMIL who will be involved! :-) Please mark one down in the win column for @Raptor please.

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    Jaemi - No I lost that battle actually. FMIL won, technically. She is in the wedding party, BUT I asked my brother to be my Dude of Honor and stand by me, because I just don't feel comfortable with FSIL standing by me. As much as I didn't want my brother in the bridal party, (hell i didnt want a bridal party at ALL!) I'd rather have him be there for me, than FSIL.

    FSIL has made more of an effort to be more friendly towards me, which is nice.. But I still am not MOH worthy close with her. Smiley tongue

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  • Jaemi C. fka Jaemi S. :-)
    Master October 2010
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    Well at least she is being nice and you have a mini vicotry with your DOH

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    Mini victory dance for meeeeeeeeeeeee! I'm SO happy with my ketubah proof, it's so beautiful. I wish I could show a PDF on here. Smiley sad

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  • Jaemi C. fka Jaemi S. :-)
    Master October 2010
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    Can you take a picture of it? or print screen it into paint and save it as a jpeg?

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  • Raptor Bride
    Master May 2011
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    On the Seventh day of the week, the twenty fourth day of Iyar in the year 5771, which corresponds to the 28th day of May in the year 2011, in Florida, the groom, Ben and the bride, Lauren joined each other before family and friends to enter into a mutual covenant of marriage, and with love and compassion each vowed to the other: "Today I love you completely, as I did yesterday and as I will tomorrow. I will be there for you when you need me most. I will hold you in my heart just as I hold you in my arms. I will share in your dreams, delight in your joys, and comfort you in your sorrows. I will be your confidant, your counsel, your friend, and your lover. When you are not within my sight, you will be within my thoughts. You are my life; you are my dreams; you are my joy; you are my love; you are my everything. At this moment you are all that I know and all that I see. As we grow old together and our love matures, may we hold on to the passion and affection for each other we feel today.

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  • Raptor Bride
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    (cont) Our commitment to each other seals this document."

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  • 2d Bride
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    Under Orthodox tradition, you need two Sabbath-observant male Jews who are not related to either of you. However, under Orthodox tradition, you also need the original Aramaic text, which talks about the groom "acquiring" the bride, and specifies whether the bride is a virgin, divorced, or widowed. (Umm, can I have a fourth option?)

    If you are not Orthodox, I'd suggest talking with your rabbi. Our Reform rabbi let us have all our guests (either sex, related or not, and any or no religion) sign the ketubah as witnesses.

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  • Raptor Bride
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    I'm glad you posted, I knew you could clarify it for me. Our rabbi is a humanistic rabbi so i think he'll be good with two people signing it, regardless of religion. Thank you for the input 2d!

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