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Margo
Savvy October 2020

Am i being Selfish / Wrong

Margo, on January 23, 2020 at 11:48 AM Posted in Etiquette and Advice 0 42
My fiancée and I got engaged last May (2019) and for his proposal it was extremely important he include his son (from 1st marriage) in the proposal.


We wanted / want to plan our wedding date around one of his son’s school breaks, at the time he had 2 weeks in the fall, 2 at X-mas and 2 in the Spring. We were aiming for the fall -
Our first couple vacation was in Maine during October when the sunrise is seen first on the eastern seaboard / USA. We fell in love with Cadillac Mountain and were sure that was the location.
Mid summer we hinted to family we were aiming for fall. Sunrise wedding and possibly Maine. Scoffs came from many... His mother a cruise Junkie stated she hoped it would line up with a cruise. Followed by Maine in October? So plans for Maine quickly diminished.
We vacationed on Sanibel Island in FL and thought that could work, but it brought back many feelings for me (My first fiancée, 20+ years ago and I planned our wedding there, however he passed away before we could marry).
Finally in the last few weeks we thought about Miami Beach or Key West... East Coast, Sunrise... sounds like it could work. I begin the planning / research, etc and the ex-wife texts... Can we take the son during Fall Break (yes, we didn’t tell her our plans) - Sure we say, and he adds this is perfect as we are planning our wedding that Saturday and would like to have son miss school the day before (btw, school changed calendar, now 1 week in fall, 1 week tgiving, 2 weeks Xmas, and 2 spring weeks) - she agrees to let him skip school (btw - it’s January and we’re 8 months into the planning phase) The date we’ve chosen is symbolic 10.10.20 - we did not choose our date by the day of the week. Later in the evening we receive a text from ex who is now “concerned” over the date as it MAY (or may NOT) interfere with their 9 y/o’s POSSIBLE football championship. We explained that the date was symbolic and we knew it could be a factor however a 10y/o 4th grade football is not going to set precedence on our wedding day. Silence.. 2 days of silence.... Oh yeah she took her son out of school to attend her great uncles 90th bday on a school day. So 2days after the initial contact, we get a text, “I’ve been thinking....” continuing on that we could choose “any other Saturday” and we’re being “selfish” to make son miss his football game (Did I mention this is a POSSIBILITY of a football game assuming his team wins playoffs) ends the conversation to say we are being ridiculous. (I should also mention when she asked us to keep him for fall break it was stating she had bought tickets to Spain leaving that Sunday or Monday and should also mention that she added in this thread.... “I told my BF if it was the 1st two weekends of October, I would not be going to Spain because of football” We explained to her that we would talk with Son and explain situation as well as talk to coach in JULY and explain we’re getting married and son could miss last game if it came to it. 2 more days pass.... Only to get a text which states.....”Have you changed the date yet” To which we did not respond, but she did keep her son from being able to talk to his dad that evening. My fiancée and I are now struggling... with each other, with everything. My emotions running on high (I’ve experienced this before with my first fiancee and wedding planning - except then it was his mother who had to choose the date because our dates did not fit “well” into her schedule. I can say that there was nothing but dread leading up to our day that never happened. And here I am again, having to accommodate for a hypothetical situation that may or may not occur. Am I wrong, selfish for wanting the date I chose? A date we felt was special to us and would accommodate the entire remainder of the family.
If I change dates - she winsIf I don’t she makes things miserable and - she wins
I should mention that she divorced him at his lowest point in life during a medical crisis and she took away his son. It was not until he and I met (3 years after their divorce) that he was able to fully rebuild a full-time relationship with his son - even if he lives 700 miles away. My fiancee is now happy and healthy and striving, but every chance she gets she tears him down.
Is she really looking out for her son’s POSSIBLE championship football game or is she jealous and just trying to make our lives miserable? And does she have unresolved feelings?
Thanks for your thoughts.... Lost

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Latest activity by Theresa, on January 26, 2020 at 11:24 AM
  • Caytlyn
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    Does your FH not have custody of his son? If so, big events like this should be written up in their agreement and he shouldn't be at his ex-wife's mercy. If not, it doesn't really matter if we think you're being selfish or she's being irrational, she's the decision maker.

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  • M
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    I don't agree that this is about the exwife winning vs you winning. It shouldn't be a zero sum game.
    I think you should move the date. I don't think this because I think you are necessarily wrong but because the child wins if there is reduced conflict. That should be the goal.
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  • N
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    I don't think you should change the date unless your son is concerned about missing a possible football game. It doesn't matter what the ex-wife thinks unless she calls the shots legally per the custody agreement. Ask your son how he feels, then he can tell his mom he doesn't care about missing one football game. I'm sure he'll have a lot more of them in years to come. This is definitely a legal matter though, you may have to get a lawyer involved.

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  • Margo
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    She has sole custody and yes you’re right, ultimately she is the decision maker and honestly no weekend would fit her schedule (if history says anything)


    Meaghan- reduced conflict? What’s that? Nothing we do is right and everything is ALWAYS a conflict. It’s how she rolls.
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  • Sarah
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    I mean, no matter why she’s doing it, she only has a say if that’s how your custody arrangement works. If you’re getting married outside of your FH’s visitation time she can say no for whatever reason she wants. As an additional thing with this, if your FH’s son likes playing football/plans to play for a long time, he may be angry at you both for making him miss a game for your wedding. He’s old enough to be aware of that if it comes to that. My daughter dances competitively and she would 100% be mad at me for making her miss a competition day for something for me.
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  • Margo
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    That’s our plan - we want to ask his opinion and thoughts. We know him, and we know he wouldn’t care because he’s a boy. But, we do want his opinion on it. His role in our wedding is VERY important.
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  • Caytlyn
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    Then maybe your FH should focus on gaining custody of his child instead of trying to come to an agreement that's seemingly impossible.

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  • Margo
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    We would love custody, however it’s not quite as easy as that
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  • N
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    I completely understand, he should absolutely be there for your wedding. But if your FH's ex-wife has the upperhand in terms of legality, I think you and your FH may have to consider changing the date to avoid all of this drama. The last thing you want is to somehow finally convince her to let him skip that potential game, only for the time to roll around and his team makes playoffs and she goes "oops sorry, he can't come anymore". If having your son at your wedding is as important as you say, I would sacrifice the date to ensure that it happens. You shouldn't have to do it, but unfortunately it sounds like your FH's ex-wife is going to be anything but easy to work with. Best of luck to you both! Smiley heart

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  • Vannesa
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    Oh that's a lot to deal with. Honestly I wouldn't change the date if she wants to be that bitter about it then let her. She's just hurting the son in the end. We aren't telling my FH BM due to her planning something and taking his son on a spontaneous trip.

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    If your FH doesn't have custody then you are pretty much at her mercy. Ask her what weekend would work for her and the son. I'm serious. It may not be your ideal date but she can maintain her sense of power and your FH has his child at the wedding, which I think is the priority. I don't know that you have many other options that aren't exorbitantly expensive, adversarial, and drawn out.
    In the meantime, work on custody so there is clarity in your and FH's involvement with the child.
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  • kymarmck
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    Coming from a divorced family, I say talk to your future step son and see if he would be okay with missing the championship if it comes down to it. If he says that it's 100% fine, then you can go back to the ex-wife and say that you spoke to the child and he doesn't mind missing the championship - he'd much rather celebrate you guys getting married.

    As a child, my parents always had my best interests in mind even though they were divorced. When each of them got married, they did make sure that it worked with my school/sports schedule because they knew those things meant a lot to me and didn't want to cause any unnecessary disruptions. Smiley smile

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  • Kari
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    Do you think it would be appropriate to involve the kid at all? He's 9 obviously, so it's not necessarily fair to make it "his decision" because that's a lot of pressure on a young kid, but I wonder if you and your FH talked to him about the wedding and made sure he knew how much you both loved him and wanted him to be there, then maybe he could give you a better idea of how important football is to him. He'd also know you wanted him there so when conflicts came up could maybe mention to his mom how much he wants to have fun at the wedding! Obviously its a very tricky situation and involving the 9 yo might not be a good choice (definitely don't try to use the kid to wedge a further issue between his former wife and your family), but at least if you had a chat with him you'd have a better idea of what is important to HIM and then might know whether football is a real issue or not, etc.

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  • Julie
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    Family law attorney here. Custody really is not the issue here, it's an issue of parenting time. My question is this: who's weekend does it fall under? If it falls under hers, you might have to file a motion in Court or sit down and talk to her. If it's his weekend, she doesn't really get a huge say - of course she could file a Court motion.

    Personally, I think it's in the best interest of the child to be at the wedding. I would try and explain to her that you've been planning for months, some things won't be able to be changed, and you simply cannot redo everything for an event that may or may not occur.

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  • Kendra
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    I just want to say I am so incredibly sorry you're going through this. My FH has an almost 8 year old daughter and 0 custody according to the court. All visits are when ex-girlfriend says they are okay or convenient for her. So, I get it. In the last 24 hours things have blown up again about daughter being in the wedding. It's so ugly and awful and saddening. Sad that she is still so angry after so long. She only wants control and power and like you said, nothing you say makes her happy. I should note, all of the things she is complaining about happened in August, November, and December and she is just now bringing it up.


    All that being said, I would not change the date. If your situation is remotely close to mine, nothing you do will be enough. There will be another event or thing he has to attend. We had to come to the place that if ex-gf refuses to let her come, that's something we will be incredibly sad about, but our hands are tied. We are moving towards a custody battle, but not until we are married. I am just learning how hard this all is.

    I would talk to his son and see what he thinks. It's true, he's getting old enough that he will know how he feels. I truly feel for you. I pray it works out for you!

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    A lot of this will depend on custody agreements, unfortunately. We were in a fairly similar situation (stepson is 6, so 1st grade, not 4th) and we have split custody. We get kiddo every Friday-Monday and every other Thursday. Since we got married on a Sunday, we told mom (well in advance) when and where we'd be getting married and that the kid would be a major part of our day (as after all, this was just as much a special day for him as it was for us) and she was like "well you have him at that time anyway, so really no big deal to me." Granted, we have a great relationship with her, but open communication is key.


    Adding on, while I agree that she's being too much about the football (I see this a lot with parents but sheesh, it's a sport, get over it) but if she has full custody, she really does get a say as to where her son goes. if not, she needs to be more open. This is his father getting married, not a silly picnic or whatever.


    My unsolicited advice on dealing with the other parent is be kind, be open and don't talk smack about them in front of the kid. I have issues with my stepson's mother but overall I can't complain too much, and I let her know I appreciate her openness (after all, a lot of parents get very protective when another adult joins the parental unit, and that can be hard to accept especially as a same-gendered parent). It's hard, but SO worth it.

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  • Margo
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    Leaving the decision to a 9 y/o shouldn’t be the case. But she is somehow making it the case. FH made sure he was involved in the marriage proposal (SS is the one who proposed first by asking me to be his step-mom, followed by FH asking me to marry him) So, his involvement in wedding is equally vital.


    We’ve said to him in the past that he will be a part of the wedding and we’ve had his input on most of our life decisions including what car we buy. And we have always intended to get his full input on this as well. It was just timing that she got the details before he or anyone else. And we’ve told her as much from our 1st conversation with her that our intention is to talk to son first! In this one instance she doesn’t think that’s necessary (for example over Xmas we asked her if son could come home with us to finish’s break, she said yes and a day later she said son said, “he doesn’t know if he wants to go” - yet when we spoke to him, he was thrilled to come home with us.

    We have an (for lack of better terms) open custody arrangement meaning we get him basically anytime we want and if it meets her needs. He lives 700 miles away, so either we fly to him and spend a weekend or vice versa at least once a month, sometimes twice. her ex-in-laws watch him at least once a week and one weekend a month along with her family getting him a 2nd night each week and at least a weekend each month. So unless she has specific plans she really doesn’t care when we see him.
    Additionally We get him 1 week at spring break, 1 -1.5 weeks in Summer, 1-1.5 weeks at Christmas, fall break used to be two weeks so we got him 1 week then as well. This year his schedule changed and it’s 1 week fall break and 1 week Tgiving so it hadn’t been decided who would get what. Football is brand new, he started last year and yes, loved it because he didn’t have to be gentle (he has cousins who he has to be safe / gentle around) and this allows him to be as tough as he wants. He is good and loves it, but he also has zero “feelings” about it afterwards. When his game ended last year, it ended never to be spoken about again - even within an hour or to this day. He’s a boy through and through- when his beloved pet bearded dragon died he was upset for 15 minutes and 15 minutes after that he was outside playing with friends. This years football game will be with kids he will never play with again unless he changes and goes to his towns school (which will never happen). So these are kids he may only ever play football with again in the future on opposing teams.


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    Is there any sort of agreement where your FH gets some sort of custody, or is she full-custody and allows your FH/you to see your stepson whenever applicable?


    I would focus efforts more on fighting for custody and less on the wedding (even though I get the importance completely). Be ready, because I doubt it'll be pretty. When husband took my son's mom to court for custody, it was really bad. He was told he was lucky to get joint (even though he had pages after pages of evidence and testimony against her being a safe parent--she has since gotten infinitely better--but some of them were some health issues that required doctor's appointments due to negligence, but I won't go any further than that) but over the last few years, things have severely calmed down. I tend to play a peacekeeper role in the situation and it has helped both of them calm down a lot.

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  • Margo
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    Our situations sound familiar and yes, nothing is ever enough. Last summer she told us he was starting football, and 2 days before his game son tells us his “big game” is Saturday, it was my birthday weekend supposed to be away,. We canceled every weekend following (except 3) for 13 weeks to fly 700 miles to go to a game, sometimes we’d stay the weekend, sometimes we’d fly home after game. But 10/13 weekends straight we gave up to be there for his games.
    She even forced us to change our fall break plans because she didn’t tell us about playoffs and possible championship games (purchased vacation 6 months prior with HER approval). And at the last minute she refuses to let him miss his game (which they were known to lose and did) because she thought he wanted to play so badly, he wanted to go on vacation! Our date choices were very slim and we put thought into it. And this date was significant- He will be 10 (in 2020) born in 2010
    So we chose 10/10/20 Kind of in his honor And 2020 being the start of a new decade - new beginnings - our new life. She and her family had stated to me how glad they are that I came into their lives to allow the relationship between FH and son, but EVERY chance they get, it’s sabotaged. I’m not being dramatic when I say that, it’s every time!
    It’s exhausting, literally every week, couple of days she’s texting FH to upset him, hurt him, hurt us.
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  • Margo
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    We have an (for lack of better terms) open custody arrangement meaning we get him basically anytime we want and if it meets her needs. He lives 700 miles away, so either we fly to him and spend a weekend or vice versa at least once a month, sometimes twice. her ex-in-laws watch him at least once a week and one weekend a month along with her family getting him a 2nd night each week and at least a weekend each month. So unless she has specific plans she really doesn’t care when we see him.
    Additionally We get him 1 week at spring break, 1 -1.5 weeks in Summer, 1-1.5 weeks at Christmas, fall break used to be two weeks so we got him 1 week then as well.


    Our long term plan (after we’re married) is to regain joint custody or at least scheduled visitation. What we are learning the older he gets, the longer we’re together, the harder she makes it. If we are on an agreed weekend, she will make play dates on our time and things like that HAVE TO STOP. But right now, we have no say.
    She left / divorced And took full custody of my FH when he was very sick and out of commission. The state she lives in sides with the mother, so getting rights back will be very difficult but hopefully not impossible. Again, waiting till we’re married to start that we feel is vital to our case.
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