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Josephine Brennan
Dedicated July 2020

Couples therapy is ruining our relationship

Josephine Brennan, on July 3, 2019 at 2:21 AM

Posted in Family and Relationships 36

To provide a little backstory before I dive into the current issue, my fiance and I had a long discussion about our wedding date and finally agreed on September 18. 2019. We also discussed things like how the marriage would be consummated (it's my first time) and were in complete agreement at that...

To provide a little backstory before I dive into the current issue, my fiance and I had a long discussion about our wedding date and finally agreed on September 18. 2019. We also discussed things like how the marriage would be consummated (it's my first time) and were in complete agreement at that point. However, my fiance is well known for agreeing to things and then backing out at the last minute, which he says is due to anxiety and fear, so naturally I was skeptical about whether he would follow through this time. He promised and swore that he would and everything was fine for a while. Then about 6 months into our engagement he started showing the signs that he was getting ready to back out. Sure enough, the end of March rolls around and here comes the "I don't knows" and "maybe we should hold offs." As you can imagine, I'm pissed and disappointed. I tried my best to convince him to still go through with it but that just lead to many heated discussions and fights being carried out over the past few months.

A few weeks ago he suggested we start couples counseling again. Since I've been trying to get him to go/ participate for years I agreed. Now I think that may have been a mistake. The appointment was made in his name and he filled out all the paperwork, which I realized was geared more for individual therapy then it was for couples. I now see this as red flag number 1. The first session went ok at first but it was just the "getting to know you and your problems" session so I couldn't really gauge how it would turn out then. I did notice however, that she completely agreed with me throughout the session up until the last 5 minutes when she did a complete turn around and told me "well you can get married but you're not getting the other thing you want." (in relation to something I asked for for our honeymoon). I was totally flabbergasted. How could someone that was agreeing with me just minutes before do such a quick 180? and WHY did she suddenly change her viewpoint? Red flag number 2. That made me uneasy about the therapy but I went to another session anyway.

That brings us to today's session. The same exact thing happened again. Throughout the entire session I would give her my opinion on something and she would tell me she agreed and it was a reasonable request. She would then ask my fiance how he felt about it, why he wouldn't agree to it, and what would make him comfortable agreeing to it. She seemed to be on my side until she heard his opinion then she would either change the subject or look at me and in a round about way say "you're screwed." I started to become very frustrated with this back and forth game and eventually stopped talking. That didn't go unnoticed however, and they would both start pestering me until I talked again but the same would happen and I gave up. Throughout our session she kept making comments that suggested that we should just break up. Red flag number 3. At the end of this session she looked at me and literally told me "maybe you should just find someone else to fill your needs." That was my breaking point. The point of this therapy was to find ways to work through our problems and help fix our relationship. Instead, she's trying to split us up.

She gave us "homework" which was to make a list of everything we need out of the relationship in order to be happy. She then tells us (though she was looking at me the entire time) that it's a compatibility test to see if we're really right for each other and pretty much told us it usually ends in the couple splitting up. She quickly backtracks and says "NOT that I'm saying that'll happen to you, but it's a common outcome." Which I took as her saying "No matter what you put on that paper you're relationship is done."

I'm completely gutted. I don't feel comfortable seeing this therapist again. We have an appointment with her next Tuesday and I want to tell my fiance that I'm done, but I know he'll say it's because she's not taking my side and I'm pissed about it. That's not it at all but I know he won't see it any other way. I feel like she's not doing the sessions to help us save our relationship, but rather to end it. I love my fiance and I don't want us to break up. I'm not entirely against therapy and still believe it would help us if done correctly. That being said, there is not a single doubt in my mind that going to these sessions WILL end us.


How would you proceed?

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  • S
    Expert October 2020
    Shaina ·
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    God damn. Yeah I would look for a NEW therapist. She should not be agreeing with one side then turn it around and threaten your relationship. My FH go to a therapist too, but she mostly nods her head, asks us why we feel a certain, digs down into childhood wounds, and she never threatens us with "we will fail". I don't know the dynamics of your relationship and why you went to therapy, but I learned that in a marriage(not married yet) it is hard work. People are raised differently not the same exact way so sometimes there are different values, they dont always need to match up, but it is important per my therapist to always practice your communication to help each others point of view. So that being said i would not like your therapist either. Talk to your FH and let him know that you are unsure that she is the right fit for you two.

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    Expert October 2020
    Shaina ·
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    Also I have anxiety to the roof and was diagnosed with Severe Anxiety and Major depression a few years back and the anxiety always stays but I never let it to the depression part. He might have really high anxiety. I get really anxious and even scared of irrational things I know wont happen or are not even true. If he has this it is best to be as calm as possible talking to him and not pushy/demanding(doesn't seem like you are though).

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  • D
    Super July 2020
    D ·
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    First, if you do not feel comfortable seeing this therapist again, don't.
    Secondly, I believe her "agreeing with you" is probably more or less understanding what you're saying and how you're feeling. Giving you validation. I definitely could be wrong....
    Then when your partner speaks she also validates him making you feel like she did a 180.
    Thirdly, if she has listened well then she may have picked up on key clues on what needs to be thoroughly examined about your relationship. Good or bad. Like it or not.
    Lastly, couples therapy is difficult. You're not going to like a lot of it if everyone in the room is being truthful. It's full of emotions that are uncomfortable to handle and a ton of compromise. Both parties have to be willing to make real change and seriously listen to each other. This will apply with any good therapist.

    I wish you the best outcome, whatever that may be.
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  • Mary
    Devoted November 2019
    Mary ·
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    I was in a situation very similar to this a few years ago. I was with a guy who I was crazy about and we agreed to get married. Over time, he got more and more distant. I would talk about getting married and setting a date but he seemed completely uninterested to a point where he wouldn't even hang out with me if I was talking about it. It just kept getting worse and worse until he wouldn't even bring me to a surgery I had because he thought that when I was under the meds, I'd just talk about the wedding. Eventually, I got upset and asked him straight up if he actually wanted to marry me. He said no. That was super hard to hear and my heart broke in ways I didn't know it could. Fast forward 2 years and I am with the absolute love of my life. He wants to marry me so much that he talks about it every day and he goes and does all of the wedding planning activities with me. He even watches Four Weddings and Say Yes to The Dress! The other part of this new relationship is that my FH and I are completely in love and we are getting married because we want to. Both of us. We are on the same page and know that this is the next step in our relationship.

    My point is that if this doesn't work out, there is still hope. I couldn't have even imagined how amazing my FH is when I was stuck in that awful relationship that made me doubt everything. Find someone who doesn't make you feel bad for being excited. Find someone who will be just as engaged as you are. Find someone who truly loves you. Marriage will come naturally after that.

    Best of luck!

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  • Michelle
    Just Said Yes April 2020
    Michelle ·
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    I would run! Definitely find another therapist! Therapist are to be very neutral and provide guidance! Perhaps yours is not very experienced?! Who knows, but you should both feel comfortable with the professional. I hope you both find what your looking for. As communication classes are great! We have some organizations locally that offer them for free. Perhaps your local area offers something similar.
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  • Bianca
    Super August 2019
    Bianca ·
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    Find a new therapist. You need someone you both can trust who is on both of your sides, equally. I think you owe it to yourselves to find someone new ASAP since your wedding is fast approaching and you both need to be confident entering into marriage.

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  • Btbride
    Super August 2019
    Btbride ·
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    This really has nothing to do with your therapist, this has to do with your fiancé. Don’t marry someone who doesn’t want to enthusiastically marry you, period. If he doesn’t want marriage and you do, neither of you will ever be happy even if you guys do end up getting married. It’s so hard to hear, I know, but I’d cut your losses and find someone who is on the same page with you about marriage, because it doesn’t sound like he’s going to change his mind, given his history with not committing to things. Do you really want a husband who can never commit to you and always backs out? You deserve someone who wants to marry you just as much as you want to marry them.
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  • Allie
    Master August 2019
    Allie ·
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    I agree with this along with the previous posters saying to find a new therapist. You can try to continue counseling, but you and your fiance need to be on the same page about marriage or you have to agree to disagree and not let it affect your relationship (just be happy being together).

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  • Denise
    Super September 2019
    Denise ·
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    This sounds like total BS to me. I would find a new therapist. On the whole FH issue, I would tell him that you want to see another therapist for kind of a second opinion, like you would a broken bone.

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  • F
    Super April 2019
    Future Mrs. Polar Bear ·
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    Eeek. Well even though you know the outcome already I would be upfront and honest with him. Sometimes going with the first choice isn't always the best. It's like when you get a doctors diagnosis you always want a second opinion. Maybe this therapist just isn't the right one. He obviously signed up for this one and he should respect your wishes to find another therapist were you both look "together".

    Also, coming from someone who has serious OCD, and anxiety issues...he may just need to see an anxiety therapist on his own. To help him work through his own issues, so than the two of you can work together to fix issues your having now.

    Wish you the best!

    P.S.

    She sounds like a terrible therapist, I wouldn't go back...just my 2 cents.

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  • Nikita
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    Nikita ·
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    I am a trained therapist and have worked in the behavioral health field for 10 years. From what you're describing, I can't really tell you if the therapist really is taking sides, or their 'empathic rapport' just doesn't work for you. What you're describing sounds like either inexperience or a personality mismatch. However, either way, she is entirely wrong for you. She should not be taking any sides and should just be putting a mirror in front of both of you to understand yourselves and your relationship better.

    The homework was a great idea, but a therapist should never come out and tell you to look at other things, you should come to that realization on your own and then you can discuss it. She's broken your trust with her, and you won't get anything out of therapy when you're now seeing it adversarial against that counselor. If you do go again, you frankly need to start from the bottom up developing any trust in her neutrality. If you decide to not go, that's okay!

    *educational period for anyone in the audience) As per the professional thing, since there was some question about her qualifications, if she's an LLPC, she's qualified for this type of work. A licensed therapist is just that - licensed. She had been tested and clocked a lot of supervised field time. However, that does not mean she's the right person for you. Each LLPC has their own therapeutic techniques they use as well as a personality they bring to the table.

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    Therapist aside- as others have said, why are you pushing so hard to get married to someone who doesn't seem to want to marry you?? If he is saying "I dont know" and "let's hold off" then he is literally telling you he isn't ready to get married and you are actively pushing him into doing something he doesn't want to. That's a red flag and it isn't healthy. Sounds like you're the one ignoring his wishes and feelings. It also sounds like you want a wedding more than a marriage, I'm sorry to be harsh there.
    As for whatever sexual thing you want in your honeymoon that it sounds like he discussed not wanting to do in therapy- again, sounds like you aren't taking him comfort and boundaries seriously. Sex is a huge component of relationships and if he isn't compatible with your wants and needs then that is very serious and you need to listen. To me it sounds like you keep being upset that he isn't who you want him to be and when he tries communicating it you get angry/upset and shut him down.
    Same with the therapy, you only seem happy when your therapist is "on your side" and basically saying "you're right and should get what you want." Sorry, that isn't how therapy- especially couples counseling- works. As a PP said, it isn't always comfortable or easy and often it can be very difficult and upsetting.

    As for the therapist- I agree with Nikita 100%. Maybe this isn't her area of expertise or maybe she just doesn't mesh with your style.
    I also agree that what you may perceive as "taking sides" and "pulling 180s" may be nothing short of her listening, mirroring, and empathizing. She likely is absorbing information and processing it back to you, which seems like agreeance to you. Then, she turns to your partner for their take/input and repeats the process and therefore appears hypocritical or flipped in your opinion. Of course, this is only a guess as none of us were there or know. However, as others said, just because this may not be a case of unprofessionalism or etc. Doesn't mean you need to stay. Sometimes a therapist just isn't right for you and that's okay.
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    Casey ·
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    I see D made some of the comments I attributed to Nikita. My bad. Both of them make excellent points that I mirror in my post.
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  • Josephine Brennan
    Dedicated July 2020
    Josephine Brennan ·
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    Hey guys! For those of you that have been showing me support I appreciate it! I went ahead and told my fiance last night how I really feel about our therapist. He was a little upset but asked me if I had found a new one I liked. I told him I hadn't because I wasn't sure how he'd react to my dislike of our current one and that I would go to our next session but I'm not sure if I'll continue from there.

    During our breaks we talked some more about the wedding and what was holding him back about it. He said he was fine with the wedding but had some fears about after the wedding. His main fear was that I would get pregnant right away and we aren't in a good position to have a baby right now. We came to a solution and will be getting married as planned.

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  • MrsJohansson
    Expert June 2019
    MrsJohansson ·
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    Well said 👏

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    David ·
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    That is the weirdest thing! Find a new therapist right away. It seems like she's biased. You may opt out of couples counselling and try at-home exercises instead. There are a lot of online couples courses that address certain issues. You may want to try that route.

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