85 Reviews for Rising Star Photography
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I’m not even sure where to start. Darren and Erin are incredible. To say that they go above and beyond would be such an understatement. From the very first phone call that I had with Darren, I knew that he was the one that I wanted for our big day. It’s crazy to think that they were able to soar above my high expectations so effortlessly. Since we were doing a “first look”, it was important that we feel comfortable with them. When we left, we felt like we had been to dinner with our closest friends. On to the wedding day. They showed up EARLY, and didn’t miss a beat for 12 hours. I can’t explain to you how important it is to have photographers that arrive early and help in every way to make your day is exactly how you wanted it. Erin is seriously a rockstar. From her positive attitude, innovative ideas and incredible support, all the way to her emergency pack containing eyelash glue, (yes, girls! EYELASH GLUE!), she really helped everything run smoothly. Now, let’s talk about Darren. This guy is passionate, extremely talented and has an incredible amount of experience. He loves his job more than anyone I have ever met. He got us access to a country club close by (in a beautiful gated community) where we took our first look pictures and wedding party pictures. Seriously, this place was amazing. This team really knows how to roll with the punches and get the job done. They were moving tables, standing on chairs, lying on the wet ground (because it rained THE WHOLE day)… They would literally do anything to get the perfect shot. And it really paid off. Our photos are AMAZING! We had them back in TWO weeks, and we have been in awe ever since! Everyone from our wedding can't stop talking about these two, either! They were just blown away by how awesome Darren and Erin are, and am I. Darren and Erin, thank you for making our day so special. We will be forever proud of the photos you took for us, and we can’t wait to use you again. We love you!
I want to give you a hug right now Meghan. Thank you for such a beautiful review. There is no denying the connection we had over the phone, and then it was like meeting an old friend the first time we met. We were so comfortable, laughing, sharing stories...I think we both knew after two minutes that this was a perfect combination. I can't begin to tell you how much we loved working with you and Kyle and your bridal party. Erin and I truly felt like we were at a family wedding. The entire day and the whole experience was the best, and we now have lifetime friends. We love you both, Darren and Erin.
Working with Darren and Sarah was nothing short of amazing. They really kept the flow of the day going, they had the most amazing spots for us to take pictures at, they melded well with our bridal party and went above and beyond for us. They were professional but didn’t take away from the fact we were a goofy group. I would recommend Rising Star photography for any bride looking for a photographer/unofficial wedding planner/friend all in one!
Thank you Darren and Sarah!
Thank you so much Peter and Theresa. It's amazing how we met at a little event, and I am so glad we did. I had so much fun getting to know you both better over the course of a year, and your wedding was everything I knew it would be. It was non-stop enjoyment from start to finish, and I will never forget our incredible portrait session downtown. Your photographer, wedding planner and friend, Darren.
Where do I begin? Darren and Erin were absolutely FABULOUS!!!!! From the very first email I sent Darren back in January 2017 he responded within minutes and we had a personal face to face meeting setup for the next week and that is when we just fell in love with Darren's personality and we just knew this would be the perfect fit. Darren was so full of personality, laughing, smiling, open, honest the entire time. Any question we had he knew the answer since his experience photographing weddings is absolutely unbelievable. Throughout the year, if I had a question, I did not hesitate to email Darren and what I loved about Darren was that he picked up the phone and would talk to me! We would talk on the phone for 30 minutes if needed! he wanted to make sure I was comfortable with the answer and that we were on the same page before we hung up. Then! about 2-3 weeks before our wedding January 2018, we met Darren's second shooter Erin, O.M.G... another match made in heaven!!! The morning of our wedding Darren and Erin were right on time ready to go to start taking pics at 11:30am SHARP! and from that moment on throughout the entire night, I felt like Darren and Erin were my brother and sister not only taking our photos but make sure everything was in order and in place... you would see Darren down on his knees, crawling ANYTHING he had to do to get the right shot and Erin was right behind him... fixing my train on my dress, holding my dress, holding my bouquet... all through the reception Darren and Erin were there for everything!!! they even stayed until about 11pm when the bar closed! and NOW that the wedding is over... Darren has been sending me some teaser photos as previews for what we are about to receive for our entire gallery and I am just speechless, the photos are phenomenal. They capture the emotion and feeling of that day to a tee. We could not be HAPPIER with our decision to work with Rising Start Photography.
We just love you Erin and Garrett. Thank you for the kind words. I enjoyed every meeting and conversation we had, which lead to a great friendship formed for your wedding day. What a beautiful winter day, classic architecture, an incredible bride/groom, and a sibling bridal party and family that welcomed us in from the first second. I smile and laugh every time I look at the Wade Park Lagoon overlook pictures, and am in awe at how beautiful the room was at the Tudor Arms. What a blessed day! Looking forward to seeing you soon for album design. Your friend, Darren.
Darren and Erin were so great! They were so personable and friendly. Not to mention how talented they are. You won't be disappointed!
Thank you so much Regina and Adam. What an incredible close to 2017 we had with your wedding...one of my favorite photoshoots ever at the library. I will never forget the evening we all spent at the farm pumpkin patch for your engagement photoshoot. The creativity was really flowing and the weather was just perfection. It has truly been a pleasure, and so much fun my friends. Please stay in touch. Darren
Our wedding was October 28th, 2018. We hired Darren after being referred to Rising Star Photography from my friend. He was awesome!! Months before the big day he met me near my house and spent awhile going over the timeline and plan. He was very detailed and professional. I felt like we had become friends after leaving the appointment! We were in touch the months before the wedding. My favorite part about Darren is that he is so experienced and has so much advice to give to help a clueless bride on what to expect. Darren and Erin were our photographers on our wedding day. They showed up and it was game on! They worked so well with everyone and knew exactly where to be and what pictures to take. I was so impressed with their professionalism. They made sure we had a great time and were comfortable. The bridal party had fun joking with them and taking funny poses. Darren shot our small reception after (75 people) and he got so many nice shots! He never missed a moment. I highly recommend Rising Star Photography to anyone looking for an experienced photographer who is dependable, professional, and has great communication skills. About a month after the wedding we received our pictures on a beautiful CD album and a flash drive. They were gorgeous!!!! We loved them and have since made an album with him and had many printed out and framed. I was impressed how nicely presented they were and they all helped tell the story of our wedding day!
Thank you so much Natalie. I am so glad you came to Allie and Brian's meeting and we were able to meet before you started your wedding plans. It was a wonderful 2017 photographing both of your weddings. I will always think back on your wedding day with a huge smile...just a perfect mix of joy, romance, and laughter. Don't ever change. Allie told me before we met that you are one of the sweetest people on earth, and she was right. Your friend, Darren.
I highly recommend Rising Star Photography. My husband and I are not very photogenic people but they did a great job showing us how to stand and coaching us how to capture the best pictures for us. They also did a great job with reading the situation and making everything feel so comfortable. We felt like we were working with old friends. They were one of the very first vendors I spoke with at one of the bridal shows. Compared to other photographing companies I spoke with, you could tell Darren is so passionate about his work. He was more interested in getting to know who me and my husband were, what our thoughts were for our wedding and what he could do for our wedding rather than just trying to sell his service (which I felt other companies tried to do). I could go on and on but to put it simply, they cared about what they were doing, worked hard and were invested in producing the best pictures for us and it shows in every single one. You will not be disappointed!
Thank you Ashley. It has been wonderful working with you and Ty over the last year. Your wedding was just incredible! From the perfect weather, to one of the best bridal parties of the year, and an amazing couple/families, the day was just perfection from start to finish. Please stay in touch and I hope to see you both at future weddings. It has truly been a pleasure. Your friend, Darren.
Darren and Erin were wonderful to work with! They are very easy to work with! I got multiple compliments from my guests on them! They were everywhere getting pictures i never even knew existed! I would recommend them to anyone looking for a photographer!
Thank you so much Breanna. Erin and I were honored to be your wedding photographers. Working with you, Kyle and your bridal party was so much fun, and your permanent smile all day just melted our hearts. Beautiful day inside and out. The party is not over...can't wait to see you both at future weddings of your guests and bridal party members. Your friend, Darren.
Picking a wedding photographer is a big decision. Not only are you entrusting someone to capture pictures of a once in a life event, but the photographer spends more time with you the the day of your wedding than anyone. From the moment we met Darren, we knew that we had found the perfect person for this task. He is so talented at photography, every photo turns out amazing, and instantly bring a smile to your face. He truly preserves the precious moments in time with the photos he delivers! He is also the nicest person EVER! He always has a smile on his face, and takes the stress out of the wedding! He is also very very knowledgeable. Not only about photography and what photos will work best, but also about things that you never thought of until it was happening (he talked us through cutting out cake because we didn't know how to cut into a tiered cake). He sincerely wants to see your wedding day be perfect, and will give guidance any way he can. Working with Darren was such a blessing, and we will forever be grateful that we had him with us on the biggest day of our life!
Emily...that was so kind of you to say. Thank you so much. I think the world of you and Jeremy, and it was a blessing working with you both on your wedding day, and becoming friends during the planning process. Your love and dedication to each other is so special. Don't ever change, because this world could use a lot more Emily and Jeremy's. Friends always, Darren.
Darren was by far my favorite vendor to work with for my wedding. He is very responsive to any questions that you might have via email and is great to communicate with in the whole planning process. On your wedding day he is just fantastic. He has so much energy and really makes taking pictures fun! You of course will get the classic pictures, but so many unique and fun pictures as well. One of my favorite parts of the day was taking pictures with Darren and Erin. They captured so many great photos and were even able to capture a few of my 15 year old lab, who sadly passed away a month later. But those pictures now mean so much to me and I will cherish them forever.
I cannot honestly say enough good things about Darren and Erin. They both have such a big heart and are just good people. I would recommend them to anyone!
Thank you so much Jessica. It has been so much fun working with you and Mark over the last two years between our meetings, engagement photoshoot, and an incredible wedding! I just loved our photography tour of downtown with you both and your bridal party...a day I will remember always. I am so happy we captured pictures of Max, and you will have wonderful memories of him when you look at your wedding pictures. You are such a wonderful couple...please stay in touch. Your friend, Darren.
If only there were an option for more than 5 stars! Darren and Nickie are the sweetest and most fun-loving pair there is around! I've never seen two people have so much fun shooting - which in turn added to the fun us and the bridal party were already having! They have truly become friends, not just "the photographers who shot our wedding." Darren helped me plan my entire wedding day, and was helpful throughout the entire process with any questions I had. I have and would recommend Rising Star Photography to anyone looking to get amazing, creative photos and have a ton of fun while doing it! Thank you Darren and Nickie!
Thank you so much Katie. You, Justin and your bridal party were a photographer's dream to work with, and your wedding will certainly be a highlight for us in sample galleries. I totally agree... we started out as clients/vendors, but quickly transitioned into good friends. What a flat-out incredible wedding day! Nickie and I love you both and are always here for you. Can't wait to see you both in the future. Darren
Darren and Sarah were both super amazing and one of the best decisions for the wedding! The entire day was very stress-free and relaxing. Darren loves to have fun and be creative with the photos. The whole bridal party had fun and we definitely got some creative, amazing shots! The photos turned out wonderful and we have received so many compliments! Not only is the quality superb, but we really love how we got nearly all the photos taken from the day! We will cherish them all forever! We would hands-down recommend Darren and his team to anyone! You won't be disappointed!
Thank you so much Alissa. When I look back on my 2017 weddings, your wedding is going to be very high on my list. What beautiful day! Working with you, Jimmy and your bridal party was just incredible. A perfect wedding, and a day I will never forget. Please stay in touch. Your friend, Darren.
Darren and Erin did such a great job capturing our day! It was great to have two photographers to capture every angle. You can't beat the price, and we'll treasure the pictures forever.
Thank you Lauren. Working with you and Mike was the best! You honestly felt like lifetime friends or family members, and as a result we were able to capture some one-of-a-kind compositions, both fun and romantic. I want to relive your wedding all over again. Please stay in touch and I hope to see you both in the future. Your friend, Darren.
Darren, Nickie, and Erin are all amazing!!! My husband and I are so happy with the results of our wedding photos! All 3 of them made our day so special. They know exactly what they are doing, and they allowed for a stress free wedding day. As a bride I know how stressful it is to find the best photographer. So trust me when I say that rising star photography is the best decision a bride could ever make!!!!
That is so kind of you, Colleen. Working with you and Ryan the last year has been wonderful...we have really shared some special days. We were honored to be your wedding photographers. What a beautiful and blessed day it was. Thank you very much, and we can't wait to see you both again. Your friend, Darren.
I found Rising Star Photography on WeddingWire and was immediately impressed by the high ratings that the company received. My fiancé and I met with Darren, the owner of the company, and immediately knew he was the right fit for us. Darren is a very genuine person and we could immediately tell that he had our best interests in mind. After hearing horror stories about the high costs of photographers and the fact that many companies keep the rights to your photos, we were relieved when we found out we got to keep the rights to all of our photos (which included 2 CDs with over 500 pictures, PLUS 3 bonus CDs with extras!), AND what a great deal Darren’s pricing was. We chose to have our engagement pictures taken with Darren, which was a blast and the pictures turned out great!
Perhaps what was most impressive was how Darren handled a sudden, unfortunate event the week before our wedding. At the initial meeting, Darren promised if something were to happen to prevent him from shooting the wedding, he has alternate photographers that will take over. Unfortunately, Darren took ill the week before our wedding and he was unable to take our wedding photos. While this is perhaps one of the biggest nightmares for a bride, Darren was extremely professional about the situation and found a replacement for himself. We worked with Sarah, who was scheduled to assist Darren, and Kristine, who served as Darren’s replacement for the day. While we were very sad that Darren could not be a part of our day, Sarah and Kristine were absolutely wonderful!
Darren hand delivered our photos about four weeks after the wedding, and we are extremely pleased with the quality of each photo. I would highly recommend working with Rising Star Photography!
Thank you for the kind words Maureen. You and John are such a wonderful couple and we formed a friendship fast. Your engagement session was awesome...I had so much fun with you both that night, and I show many couples your gallery as a feature. 13 years of business and I have never missed a wedding due to illness until this year, and it saddened me that it was yours. You were so sweet and understanding how bad my illness was that week. But, I was so proud of my team in Kristine and Sarah and the job they did. It was great to still be a part of your day by editing your gallery and designing your packaging. As you mentioned, things happen in life, and I promised you and John, and all my couples, that you will receive full coverage from my team if myself or the second shooter were to experience anything rare medically. I can't wait to see you both again and you can count on me anytime. Your friend, Darren.
Rising star photography is a wonderful choice for wedding photography. I worked directly with Erin, Sarah and Darren. All extremely professional and knowledgeable about photography. They all got back to me very quickly with any questions that arose and were extremely flexible. My wedding was a lot less stressful because of these individuals. Most importantly my wedding photos came out STUNNING. I recieved so many compliments about my wedding photos from family and friends. All of the photographers have unique ideas for poses so my pictures didn't look like everyone else's and my extra pudge from having a baby didn't even show because of the direction they captured the photos. That is true skill. I can't say enough how much I appreciate this company and how good they made me feel on my special day. Thank you so much Rising Star! I would hire you a million times over!
Thank you so much Amanda. I will always remember meeting you at the bridal show and the great connection we had. It was a pleasure working with you and David, and we have really established a great friendship since. Can't wait to see you both in the future. All the best, Darren Erin and Sarah.
Darren and Nickie were honestly the best decision we made in our wedding-planning process. I can't say enough about how spectacular they are. As soon as we met, we just clicked! The entirety of our day, they kept us laughing and stress-free. Our wedding party had a blast which resulted in such amazing photos! They have the ability to make everyone extremely comfortable during such a busy day which was a breath of fresh air. So many people have asked who our photographers were because they liked them so much. Darren took note of some must-have shots we suggested at our meeting and made sure to capture them all. They have such great creativity, attention to detail, and just a positive vibe about them; it's hard not to smile when you're in their presence. You can tell they really love what they do. Darren was super responsive to my emails and truly cared about our day. The experience felt like they were part of the family. Our guests had nothing but wonderful things to say about how well Rising Star worked with everybody and captured the day flawlessly. The quality of the photos is insurmountable. We've gotten so many compliments on how gorgeous each and every picture is and we wholeheartedly agree. We honestly cannot thank them enough for the incredible job they did capturing these memories. My husband and I highly recommend Rising Star! Darren and Nickie, we love you guys and can't wait to work with you in the future!
We love you too Nicole and Marc. What a truly blessed day! Working with you both, your family and bridal party was just perfection. Nickie and I could not stop smiling all day. This is how a wedding is done, and we were so honored to work with you, and proud to call you our good friends now.
Darren and Erin were absolutely AMAZING! I have nothing but the best things to say about them...my Husband, who does not enjoy taking pictures, actually had fun during our shoots. He really enjoyed Darren and Erin and how they made the entire thing fun and not stressful at all. They knew exactly what they were doing and had a specific vision in mind. We have not gotten our pictures back yet, but I cannot wait to see them. I have recommended them to a couple of my friends who will be getting married within the next year. Darren really treats each picture as it is a work of art and he understands how important these wedding day pictures are. You can tell he really loves what he does...it shows! He was always in constant contact and responded very quickly to all messages. He made everything the day of go super smoothly and just rolled with the punches. If I ever got stressed, he calmed me down and helped me to figure things out. He also went above and beyond to book a site in-case it rained. He is simply FABULOUS and I hope to have him do future photo sessions with my husband and myself.
Thank you so much Allie. Erin and I had an absolute blast at your wedding, and the portrait session was one I will never forget...we were laughing and smiling the whole time. I was so honored you put your trust in me and hired me over the phone, because school prevented you from us meeting for several months. When we did meet, I knew it was a perfect combination. Can't wait to see you and Brian at the wedding in October. Your friend, Darren.
Darren and Nikki are an awesome team! I saw them in action at my friends wedding and have never seen two photographers both equally care about taking awesome shots. When my friends were kissing I never saw both photographers go in with so much passion to make sure they both got that perfect shot ( A reason why I booked with them). I have been in weddings when the second photographer in only there for the money and does not have the passion....let me tell you Nikki cares and has that same passion as Darren. Darren and Nikki work so well together they just have to say one word and the other person knows exactly what they are thinking. I had certain shots that I wanted photographed and they both made sure that they were taken care of. Nikki made sure my train was perfect for each shot even when my train was not working with her (She cares!!). From my friends wedding, three other people have worked with Darren & Nikki because their work is awesome! From our first meeting, engagement shoot (which was awesome!, Darren took so much time to make sure the sun was not going to ruin our pictures, he took his time to set up everything so it was perfect and we had so much fun with him! ), to our wedding day! I hope to see them at a wedding in the future! P.S. Darren also has awesome cases for your pictures!
Thank you Faith. I am so happy we met you and Brandon at another wedding and shared some truly memorable days in your life, including an incredible winter engagement photoshoot unlike any other I have photographed. That was so much fun! By the time your wedding came, it was a great feeling knowing we were friends and so comfortable working together. Looking forward to seeing you both in the future. Darren
We could not have been happier with our experience with Rising Star Photography. Darren and Erin were with us from 11 that morning until the reception was over at 11 that night! All our relatives and friends were so impressed with them. They were so professional, had such great energy, and really contributed to making it such a wonderful day. Not only that, they were one of the most affordable photographers we got quotes from. They had wonderful suggestions and ideas for amazing photos. We highly recommend them!
Thank you so much Melissa. I knew from the minute I met you and Jon that we were a great combination, and I had so much fun working with you both at your engagement session and wedding. Erin and I still talk about the juggling priest we had last year...how cool was that? You are such a genuinely friendly and wonderful couple, and we were honored to be a part of the biggest day of your life. I hope to see you both at future weddings and/or events. Your friend, Darren.
I can't say enough good things about Darren and risingstar photography! From the first meeting until our wedding day and after it has been a pleasure and I couldn't be more grateful to have found them to be our wedding photographers. My husband, my family, friends and bridal party all loved Darren and Sarah! They made taking pictures a fun! If you are looking for a great photographer, your search is done. They are worth every penny! Our pictures were perfect, but more importantly the experience was perfect!!!! LOVE THEM!
Thank you so much Megan. You, Aaron and your bridal party were incredible to work with. What an awesome day from start to finish! This was a wedding where I started the day with a smile on my face, and it never left. Just a perfect day. Love, Darren and Sarah.
Darren was absolutely amazing from planning a timeline for our big day to making sure we captured everything on our picture list! He even had tons of reccomendations and tips that had we not followed would have made our pictures a little less beautiful and diverse! I cannot give enough stars to this company and even my bridal party and guests at the wedding had nothing but great things to stay about them and how wonderful they were!!
Thank you Ashlee. Working with you, Greg and your bridal party was so much fun, and an honor to be your wedding photographer. An incredible day from start to finish. I really enjoyed getting to know you both at our meetings, and felt like good friends come your wedding day. Thank you for letting me capture the greatest day of your life. Your friend, Darren.
Let me just say that our decision to go with Rising Star Photography for our wedding photos was the best decision we made regarding the wedding itself. Not only were they on time, super easy to work with and professional, had the best energy and kept everything running smooth and worry free, but gave us more than we could have wished for with the quality of the photos. They also give amazing prints afterwards and made it very easy for family and friends to get their hands on the photos as well. So thankful that we have these amazing photos as a lasting memory of our special day! I would highly recommend them to ANYONE and we will be using them again in the future!
Thank you so much Brooke. Working with you, Vince, your bridal party and your families was incredible. Everyone was so friendly, fun and appreciated quality work. What a blessed day it was. I just loved my meetings with you both, and without a doubt felt a strong friendship and connection with you both on your wedding day....a day I will always remember. Thank you for the honor of photographing your wedding. Your friend, Darren.
My fiancé at the time, now husband, were looking for someone who did not just have BEAUTIFUL pictures, but we wanted someone who was outgoing, organized, energetic, and very creative! I found all of these characteristics to suit Darren with Rising Star Photography. When I met with Darren the first time, I felt very comfortable, and I could trust that he would capture the beauty and memorable parts of our special day. When we met again, we discussed multiple scenarios with weather (it is Ohio, the day before our wedding it was 75 degrees and sunny, the day of our wedding, it was 30 degrees and snowing). Darren worked with me on finding a couple of different places just in case the weather was bad, and it made me feel like I had options, and he had our best intentions for that day!
Darren does not work alone. I met Erin the morning of the wedding, and I immediately LOVED her! Both Erin and Darren surpassed our expectations! Both were able to capture different aspects of our wedding! EVERYONE has raved about our pictures and they all have had nothing but positive things to say about our photographers. Darren and Erin were extremely energetic and kept the mood light and airy, and I LOVED it, because as a bride on her wedding day, I was rather nervous ( I also don't like being the center of attention, but they made me feel like a true princess!).
I felt that for two photographers for an all day event (literally an all day event) the pricing was excellent and WELL WORTH IT!!!! We know/knew that Darren and Erin truly CARED for our special day and making it a true fairy tale day! We will be asking for Darren and his co-photographers every opportunity we can and we HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEM! :-) THANK YOU DARREN AND ERIN!!!!
Thank you so much Keyanna for the kind words...you really touched my heart. Working with you, Mitch and your bridal party was a blessing. We had to shift gears in 24 hours from a spring-like wedding to a true winter wedding, but it worked out perfect, and your color scheme was perfect for winter wedding pictures. From our first meeting, to picture delivery, I have enjoyed every second with you both, and can't wait to work and see you in the future. Thank you for everything...it has been an honor. Friends always Darren.
It was an absolute pleasure working with Rising Star Photography. Both Darren and Nickie were amazing throughout the whole process. From the planning stages through the end if the reception it was a joy to work with them. Very professional, very knowledgeable, and very easy to work with. The pictures came out great and the whole experience was a blessing for Bethany and myself.
Thank you so much Matt. Working with you and Bethany was incredible...from our meetings, to a super creative and diverse engagement photoshoot, and an amazing 65-degree wedding day in January that we will be talking about for years. It truly was a blessed day, and Nickie and I were honored to be a part of it, capturing non-stop fun. Friends always, Darren.
My husband and I cannot say enough amazing things about Rising Star Photography! Darren and Nickie went above and beyond our greatest expectations, and EVERY SINGLE PHOTO was absolutely perfect. We are so in love with our photos, they captured our entire day/night perfectly for us so we can have these photos as memories that will last forever! They also have a few assistants that they work with (Emily & Sarah) who were also there all day/night with us to help capture even MORE memories! Thank you all so much! The professionalism, the detail, their personalities, meeting up with us several times to make sure everything was perfect-they did it all top notch! We love you guys, thanks again!
Thank you so much Ashley and Vince. We love you as well. The whole process of working with you both was so enjoyable. I believe you both found your true partners in life, and we were honored to capture your wedding day. The horse and carriage provided such romantic and classic shots, and I gotta say, your reception set a new standard in fun that we will talk about the rest of our lives. Awesome wedding! Friends always, Darren.